Last edited by Booshman; 2013-04-23 at 10:43 PM.
Furthermore you missed the entire point of the quote I posted. The fact of the matter is that what was done to the natives in America was just another in a long trend of conquests and exterminations throughout human history, and thus guilt over it is a futile gesture; all that can or rather should be done is some degree of restitution and also acknowledgement to try and prevent events of that nature from occurring in future.
and i tought that Karel Gott is all the czech got:
And me pointing out the flaw in the quote, "Isn't me missing the entire point." The quote itself also doesn't mention anything about not repeating history, it just tries to justify bad behavior by saying "But...but...other people did it toooo!" Nothing about not repeating history. Unless there's much more to the conversation, this is something that you tacked on yourself.
Last edited by Booshman; 2013-04-23 at 11:22 PM.
You brought up the argument that peacetime innovation outweighs wartime innovation, both social and technological.Why did you quote a fictional movie that completely ignores that trade between groups has arguably had a bigger impact on the world than conquering?
*shrug* there society was wiped out by white people, leaving a tiny portion of them. thats how it worked. nothing more to figure out.
Imagine being native american decent in the modern era and having to hear how your kind were killed off for land. Sure america gets to stand, but hey, it wasn't without blood.
Right here. I'm White Creek Cherokee (5%) and Native Hawaiian (45%). WHASSUP SUPER MINORITY.
I'm also Welsh/Portuguese but that's not really the topic at hand.
Last edited by Uennie; 2013-04-24 at 12:57 AM.
I am a quarter native american and my dad is half and my grandma is full. Their tribe lives on a reservation in canada. i forgot what their tribe is called but i think its the miq maq, some weird shit like that and the language is tough to learn.
But you can go to any museum and see that when the Europeans arrived the Natives were just learning how to work with metals. They like any other culture were always looking to find new ways to make life easier. They were just a few centuries behind. But many Native hunters were quick to trade for muskets and even started producing their own powder and shot.
The reason why the bow was used over the gun in counterinsurgency was because it was a superior ambush weapon.
You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve
As a side note, think about coca cola. They got moved around the world along with the American troops. Where the troops went supplies of cola went with them. Is it a surprise that they are so big these days?
Last edited by khalltusk; 2013-04-24 at 10:38 AM.
Back on topic:
Yes, I can say that every single country on that map was attempting to rule more and hoard more gold all the time.
The Mesoamerican nations have never invented the wheel because there is no arable land and no domesticable animals to use them with. While Europeans used their wheels and animals on vast, fertile lowlands, the Mesoamerican cultures were able to grow plants and herd animals in altitudes exceeding 4000 meters, and they were able to cultivate swamps for growing crops (look up Tenochtitlán again, they actually built fields on the surface of a lake there.)
You mention sacrifices - most of the sacrifices were captives, some were on the losing teams of games as you said, some were even volunteers because they found it honorable to be sacrificed. While I agree that such large-scale manslaughter is bad, it's not like the Europeans were different. People would voluntarily go to war, with the prospects of dying being extremely huge, just to have a chance at loot. They would also build starving dungeons, they would rape the women and kill the children of the conquered lands, ravage and burn villages and fields.
There really was no difference between the level of civilization of either of the two "worlds". Both had it's pros and cons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_178), nuclear power (fission) was also a pre-war thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission#History) and actually, the development was hindered by the war and the bomb.
As for space flight, every sides got distracted from their original mission (human space flight) by the war (they had to design military rockets instead).
War usually alter development. Nations in war tend to be secretive, the military needs proven designs en masse. usually some projects got lucky and get funding but many others not, and even the lucky ones sometimes got forgotten because the secrecy (think about the colossus or Zuse's work).
and i tought that Karel Gott is all the czech got:
I was doing some construction work on a new indian casino, red rock casino in placerville, ca. So anyways it was new construction and they didnt have freeway access ramp open at the time so I took the back roads to get there. If any of you are familiar with the foothills then you know there are hardly any people living out there. So anyways I keep driving because its like 10 miles through the back roads to get there. I finally come across some secluded homes, didnt see any people outside. Now these homeswere very nice homes, but the weird thing was they all had bars on the windows, almost every single one of them. So imagine coming across a bunch of nice homes in the middle of nowhere and all have bars on the windows and not a soul in sight. They looked like fortified fortresses instead of homes. I keep driving to the casino which according to gps is about 5 miles away, as I near the jobsite and enter the main reservation area, it looks like a run down trailer park ghetto, abandoned stripped cars, garbage everywhere, all kinds of stuff in peoples front yards. This is where the indians are, you dont see them because they stay on the reservations.
Not trying to sound racist here. But I don't get why white people go "i'm 1/4 irish, and half english", when the last time their ancestors actually stepped foot into those countries were like 100 years ago. Why brag about a country you've never been to. That's why I hate when someone calls me african american. I'm like nah I'm American only. I don't got a damn thing in common with any African.