Well GC did mention they've been discussing how to add sub-races when they do the new models. Like brown orcs and wildhammer dwarves for example.
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"Terror, darkness, power? The Forsaken crave not these things; the Forsaken ARE these things."
*sigh*
As if Blizzard gave over monthly updates for almost a year straight after that announcement, as they have with the new character models? That equivocation is so false it makes a mocking bird blush with embarrassment, sir, and frankly I and my family as well.
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Blues straight up stated unequivocally the new Trolls models were in no way indicative of the new player models, and that they will be much more impressive and advanced than a simple model edit, in direct response to this very question.
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I think it's worth cautioning people that we may only see vanilla model updates.\
They've put shit on box art that they haven't actually released, nor tested. Them not actually giving us character models wouldn't surprise me in the least, hell I'm still mostly skeptical they'll even release it next expansion if at all.
Tom Chilton said this in his MOP interview with Pico, and he went out of his way to make it unequivocally clear that he in no way was implying they would be released with their completion. He said for all he knew, these would all be released at once, or in windows, they had not yet decided as of last summer.
As of MOP's release, we learned humans and orcs were being worked on from Ghostcrawler, with no word on if dwarves were finished or if they were left on hold.
Originally prior to the official announcement and after, Zarhym told us not to expect brand new state of the art character model updates, but to expect updated models and skins using the same skeleton and animations.
Blizzard changed their mind on that issue, and decided to go all out, making completely state of the art character models with fully animated faces and fingers. They will have brand new animations, based on their old animations as a guide, so you will recognize them as the same maneuvers, just with a new polish and stylized refinement I predict. We were given an example by a Blue Dev that the undead flip they do for a special melee strike will still be there, just updated as if they created it with today's standards.
The skeletons will probably add up with the same universal attachment points, but they will be much more stylized and cartoonish I predict, with the cartoon physics you see in Thrall's new model and the Pandaren, where every gesture and movement is more bouncy and animated and expressive.
Ghostcrawler also said they might make this optional for people who wish to choose to keep their original models displayed on his twitter feed a few months ago.
In the last 4 months, we've had 4-5 different dev statements confirming the level of advancement these new updates will have, comparing them to goblins and pandaren.
And every single customization choice will have an equivalent update, they aren't going to decrease the amount of faces and hairstyles we have. The Worgen and Pandaren have a low amount of customizations for very specific reasons, it has nothing to do with cutting corners (female worgen excluded) or a new stance on character creation. The Goblins demonstrate that well.
If anything, with how long they've desired to do so, now that they are working on the project, there is a chance we could see enhanced customization. They've specifically stated a desire to have things like Wildhammer tattoos and Mag'har Orc skins, via Ghostcrawler himself. If these new models are given the resources usually reserved for a new player race and starting area for the next expansion, it would be a good opportunity to realize that desire. So cross your fingers.
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And you're just jaded and biased at worst or overly delicate and careful at best for indulging in that skepticism with such zealous fervor. As if something on box art trumps almost monthly updates for a year straight, as if those things you speak of had anywhere near the level of importance or meaning to the developers themselves, as if those things you reference were anywhere nearly as important to the majority of the player community outside of the exceptions you can find to cite as if it in any way gives the equivocation a feather's worth of legitimacy.
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They aren't even models, they are skins. Skins are 2d image files, like a jpeg. Models are 3 dimensional rendered structures.
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I would agree with you on that, but we've already been told that was the truth and that IF they do the Burning Crusade races, they will come last. There is no need in my opinion to guess at all. But, Blizzard reversed their decision and did decide to go the extra mile in the level of advancement these model updates are getting, they may have decided to go all out in this area as well. It's always a matter of getting around to these things, not necessarily not wanting to do them or not being able to afford the resources. They just can only work on one area at a time in their long list of desires, and now that they are on this project, it may be the time they decide to see what needs polishing the most.
I'm not holding my breath though.
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Sadly not, yet.
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That sucks, but at least it's on the to do list. One would think while they are already out painting the house finally they could go ahead and paint the fence while they're at it.
We even had NPC Wildhammer skins available to use in Cata's beta through a hastily made modification for the initial weeks of the beta's life before the rough concept was removed. They should just add the NPC skins for these races as they are for now in my opinion, in the meantime if they mean to make them improved.
But seeing several brand new high resolution specialized custom wildhammer and dark iron and mag'har orcs that were more than just simple color edits would be amazing. With actual modelled details.
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You're uninformed. Check out Pico's interview with Tom Chilton over MOP's release. It was I believe a few months later GC mentioned humans and orcs, but he never said if dwarves were put on hold or if they were finished.
As Blizzard changed their mind from doing simple model and skin edits to going all out with new animations and facial expressions, I could see them scrapping the dwarves they did after the humans and orcs pushed the bar up to where the dwarves deserves a redo.
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Is it me or this topic pops up atleast once every week?
OT: No, Blizzard are being really secretive about new models.
New models are - Probably - going to be released next expansion or maybe in the pre-patch of the expansion.
I just want my male dwarf to not look so bad compared to the newer races. The awful face stands out so much now.
My question is, how MUCH they change the old models?? Are the give us tottaly new models or they just fix them??????
And are they save the old models...
If given the option, I am certain the VAST majority of players will still use the old char models.
New models are a waste of time really.
@Ghostcrawler:Some advice: [My pet issue] is why there were sub losses is one of the weaker arguments players use. Players don't have that data.
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