I think this is Blizzard trying to appease the ravenous Nelf fans a bit too much quite frankly.
Granted, he could be referring to pure physical ability--not necessarily the entire sum of what makes one dangerous. Such as tactical understanding and adaptability.
They didn't forget, they deliberately chose not to use humans. I'm shocked non-Orc races are getting much playtime, but I suppose that makes it easier to depose Garrosh.
As much as they love orcs and humans and hate everyone else, we should count ourselves lucky we don't all start in Elwynn Forest and the Valley of Trials >.>
Different goals? They work together for their mutual survival and benefit. Sure, the demon driven horde that brought the Alliance together isn't there anymore, but there are still other threats to join together against such as the Legion, not to mention continued hostilities with the Horde. I don't see their ideals as having really shifted either, especially not in a dramatic enough way to say it's a 'new' organization. The Alliance has evolved, yes, lost members and gained new ones, but I'd hardly say that it's shifted enough to call it a 'new' alliance and I'm not presently aware of any lore except maybe some non canonical rpg book stuff that calls it a new alliance. (Though if there is some out there please share it with me.)
When they decimated the First War and about 89% of the Second War?
When they were developed in Warcraft 3, found their independence, and killed an Alliance hero in an Alliance city with Jaina's aid in the expansion?
During Classic? I'll give you that one; they were under developed then.
In BC when they had actual things happening with Thrall in Outland, Rexxar in Blade's Edge, the blood elves' story of blood knights, and the reigniting of the Sunwell?
In Wrath when a Horde splinter group took the stage and pwned both Horde and Alliance? Or when the Horde decimated Alliance forces at the Broken Front?
Perhaps in Cataclsym when they won...every...battle...they...engaged...in?
The Horde have never been the underdogs. They've been less in numbers and supposedly loosely organized, but they've always been shown to be a dominant force and have mostly had plenty of attention given to their development.
It's not exactly a surprise. If one were to look at the entirety of WoW and if it were being told as a story or film, Thrall is the main protagonist ever since his introduction. The story of Warcraft from his birth has been about his journey. That doesn't mean it's all revolving around him. It's like Star Wars 1-6 is a saga about Anakin Skywalker, even if the entire thing doesn't revolve around him.
The Alliance has been the underdog in every facet of Horde/Alliance conflict. And that's actually cool. It's the complete lack of the Alliance having any purpose other than a foil to the Horde that kind of sucks.
The Alliance needs to get back to Classic where they dealt with their own problems and took action.
The Horde needs to stick with their Cataclysm/MoP era where they take action and deal with problems.
Not every problem needs to be with each other, though. There are tons of dangers and problems in Azeroth that can plague either side without bothering both.
That is a little more interesting but still largely irrelevant. ~ Humans are by far their greatest adversary. I mean for crying out loud the Horde nearly crushed the Night Elves and almost killed Tyrande in battle because they were so frigging predictable. It took the Worgen and Varian to save them from complete annihilation. xD
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Don't get me wrong, I really liked Wolfheart. Tyrande and Malfurion actually seemed to be equal to one another, Anduin took steps towards his future path, and Varian was well developed from his starting point in forging his rage into control. It also did a good job letting the worgen cut loose and tear into Horde while also laying the first of many frustrating losses and the source of Garrosh's hatred for Varian.
But the extent to which the night elves were totally and unquestionably decimated at every turn by Garrosh was just pathetic.
Hell, even Ghostcrawler has commented on having liked the night elves when they used to be fierce.
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Couldn't agree more. I would love to see lots of new lore for Draenei with everything that's happened they are one of the most important races in WoW due to their connection with the Burning Legion and seeing them destroy their world first hand. Problem is that Blizzard has a hard on for Orcs vs Humans, which imo is the most generic boring excuse for lore direction ever. The reason WoW lore is so interesting is because of all the original races that exist in Warcraft. No I'm not talking about the generic Tolkien races but stuff like the Naga, Eredar, Dreadlords, the old gods etc. I think blizz needs to lay off the generic story boarding and do something interesting, just because this is an MMO doesn't mean that people need to be spoon fed a familiar story in order to get into the game.
What does raiding Orgrimmar or Stormwind have to do with other alliance races getting lore?Here you have an expansion where the one of the oldest characters (Jaina) comes out and gets developed, Varian (who everyone was wondering who the hell he was back in Wrath) also getting some love, alliance starts crying "What about other races?". You even going get to raid Orgrimmar (and I'm not talking about the ol' For The alliance), but actual raid. Damn, allow us hordies to invade Stormwind and I would praise Blizzard as my new God!
Hey guys, we get to raid Orgrimmar so alliance lore is perfect or something.
The problem is that the only other leader in the alliance that was interesting was turned to stone before Cataclysm.
Humans more than anyone in the Alliance are the stewards of the world and by and large have been since their formation of the Alliance of Lordaeron. That said all the races play critical roles but it's very evident they revolve heavily around the strength and guidance of Stormwind much like the races of the Horde revolve around the orcs--although that is in question now due to Garrosh's actions.
I don't see anything wrong with an emphasis on the two major races for various reasons. Although the instance with Tyrande did somewhat bother me as it did seem cheap and just outright horrible writing. Granted she could be emotionally compromised from her battle in Ashenvale. Blizzard does a poor job of filling gaps unless they release a few novels to do just that.
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Buuuut... I could be wrong.
Now imagine if they had carried on with Trials of the High King branded as Trials of the Supreme Commander for Varian to take on the roll in homage to the man who took him from Stormwind to safety. Varian respects and looks up to the memory of Anduin Lothar. His SON is named after the man. It would be symbolic for him to take on the same title and lead the Alliance forces in a time of war.
Now let's imagine A Little Patience wasn't about Varian, but about Tyrande. Imagine Varian being there and suggesting a forward assault to draw the Horde out into the front grounds of the temple, then cut them down. Or even suggesting an outright assault, but voicing concerns since Anduin says it's a sacred place. Then Tyrande tells Varian the night elves are quite adept at handling combat in a forest or jungle. Varian defers to Tyrande and she advises the traps for the scenario to play out exactly as it did. After the victory, you have Varian speak to the effectiveness of Tyrande's tactics and comment on how such tactics could be used in coordination with Stormwind's own military tactics.
Then if Blizzard had continued with the trials more quickly, you'd have Varian learning how the gnomes are most effective and the dwarves could still play out with Blood in the Snow showing Moira's commitment to the Alliance. Varian could comment on his familiarity with the worgen from the battle in Ashenvale so you'd have that covered.
The whole concept wouldn't be "look how bad ass Varian is" but "let's see how Varian learns ABOUT his allies and how to coordinate their different tactics and fighting styles into a cohesive assault against Garrosh in the future."
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I still give Tyrande credit, though. With the exception of Bolvar for the Onyxia questline, Tyrande takes the title of "only faction leader to do something in Classic WoW." And she was well portrayed then too.
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So wisdom, skill, thousands of years worth are lost with no real adequate replacement for that. It's a huge shift for them. Not to mention the discomfort/uncertainty it creates among them to begin with.