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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    No one hates freedom of association more than people who oppose RTW.

    Unless of course you want to count "Freedom to quit a union shop".
    Why is your answer to any workplace issue is "quit and find another job then!" except when it's involving union membership being a job requirement?
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  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Why is your answer to any workplace issue is "quit and find another job then!" except when it's involving union membership being a job requirement?
    Because he believes in freedom*
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    I suppose it's good, unions force some businesses to hire only union workers

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  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Dezarus View Post
    I suppose it's good, unions force some businesses to hire only union workers
    No, unions get employers to sign contracts saying they'll only hire union workers and employers abide by the contracts they sign.

    Its people who support Right To Be Fired who want to come in and say "no unions, you can't have these contracts signed, they're illegal now".
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  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Its not evil. Its how you maintain a decent place to live. If you don't want to pay the costs of living in America no one is making you stay.

    They are voted by the public. We elect the people who make those decisions. If you want fewer roads vote for someone who wants fewer roads.
    Let me get this straight. I want this country to live up to the Constitution that is was founded on and I am the one who is the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaril View Post
    They opened a few "American Candy Stores" up here in Scotland; seen two in Aberdeen and one in Dundee. I don't know why they thought that would be a clever idea, I don't know a single person here who even likes American sweets. I guess it must have been an "Aimed at the expats" thing, but there aren't even enough Americans, even in Aberdeen, to justify opening, not one, but two stores. All the stores are pretty much permanently empty and one of the Aberdeen ones closed down within a month.
    Theres 1 in Glasgow that shut down rather quickly. Same with Greenock.

    They should stick to Dunkin Doughnuts / Krispy kreme, those things are the shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    No, unions get employers to sign contracts saying they'll only hire union workers and employers abide by the contracts they sign.
    Yes, which i don't agree with... if I want to be hired I shouldn't have to join a union

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    Pretty stupid of them. Hard enough to sell lard-laced snack cakes these days without people boycotting your products.

    I want to thank them because now it really makes eating some Hostess junk a turn off.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Because he believes in freedom*
    Unfortunately that includes the freedom to mooch off the hard earned pay fought for him by the unions of the company who for without giving nothing back.

    Now imagine the uproar if they had a way to have what the union fought for only apply to union members, that would be interesting watching people complain how they dropped from the union and lost some of their vacation time, took a decent pay cut, and had some of their extra safety equipment taken from them by the company as they were fought for by the union which they were no longer a member of..... Would be fucked up and insightful at the same time.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandius View Post
    Let me get this straight. I want this country to live up to the Constitution that is was founded on and I am the one who is the problem?
    So you want to subscribe only to the bill of rights, or do you believe in the entire constitution? Because the government collecting taxes to fund publicly funded programs is in the constitution you know. Or do you go against the constitution in not wanting to pay your taxes?
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  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandius View Post
    Let me get this straight. I want this country to live up to the Constitution that is was founded on and I am the one who is the problem?
    The Constitution allows for taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezarus View Post
    Yes, which i don't agree with... if I want to be hired I shouldn't have to join a union
    If you want to be hired by a company you have to sign the contract that they offer you. If you don't like the terms they offer then tough shit.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Dezarus View Post
    Yes, which i don't agree with... if I want to be hired I shouldn't have to join a union
    As soon as they can make sure to pay you less than the union members with fewer paid days off and less safety equipment as they were just bonuses they union got for them without messing up anything else, then that will be fair.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    Taxes aren't theft. That you've been led to believe that is proof how much you've swallowed propaganda hook line and sinker. Taxes and publicly funded programs are the reason you get to enjoy first world comforts. But if you think that taxes which go to fund public assistance programs is theft, then there are plenty of countries that don't steal from its hard working citizens via taxes (aka theft!!!!!!!!), like Somalia.
    Why do you believe it is acceptable for the government to take from one private citizen and give to another? The whole idea this country was founded on was one of INDIVIDUAL liberty and freedom. The government violates that founding principle so many times in a single day that people thing it is the norm and they way things should be. I disagree.

    Are we allowed to means test for government entitlements (no I do not mean social security as that is not an entitlement).
    Are we allowed to drug test people taking the entitlements?
    Are we allowed to designate what they can and cannot spend money on if they take money from entitlements?

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandius View Post
    Why do you believe it is acceptable for the government to take from one private citizen and give to another? The whole idea this country was founded on was one of INDIVIDUAL liberty and freedom. The government violates that founding principle so many times in a single day that people thing it is the norm and they way things should be. I disagree.

    Are we allowed to means test for government entitlements (no I do not mean social security as that is not an entitlement).
    Are we allowed to drug test people taking the entitlements?
    Are we allowed to designate what they can and cannot spend money on if they take money from entitlements?
    You do know the Constitution gives government to power to tax and spend right? Did you not read that part?
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  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    You have no right to a job if you don't want to sign the contract Laize.
    Oh that's just not true and hasn't been for 65 years. You can't grant unions the power to determine who an employer is allowed to hire or who they must fire.

    Taft-Hartley was a compromise between Republicans and Democrats back when compromising was a thing that Congress did. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Why is your answer to any workplace issue is "quit and find another job then!" except when it's involving union membership being a job requirement?
    It's hardly the same thing when the employer is strong-armed by lawmakers into signing a union contract. In many cases the contract is under coercion to begin with and should be null and void.

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    Oh that's just not true and hasn't been for 65 years. You can't grant unions the power to determine who an employer is allowed to hire or who they must fire.
    You can grant unions whatever power they get from contracts their employers sign.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    Everyone is pro-US. They just don't know it yet.
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  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    The Constitution allows for taxes.

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    If you want to be hired by a company you have to sign the contract that they offer you. If you don't like the terms they offer then tough shit.
    I think just from reading these forums that we can assume Republicans like the constitution... except they prefer to ignore the 14th, 15th, 16th and 24th amendments a lot.
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  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    I had a twinkie once, at best it was mediocre and I do not understand why people rave about them so much.
    It's something people normally eat when their kids, and then if they keep their sweet tooth as they grow up they'll still like it. I haven't eaten a twinkie in like 17 years, I remember enjoying them as a child, but I don't really eat sweets anymore so I doubt I would enjoy eating it if I ate one today.
    What are you willing to sacrifice?

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    You do know the Constitution gives government to power to tax and spend right? Did you not read that part?
    Yes and I am not saying taxes are unconstitutional, I am saying that taking tax money from one citizen in order to give it to another is. I noticed you ignored the other questions in my post.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandius View Post
    Yes and I am not saying taxes are unconstitutional, I am saying that taking tax money from one citizen in order to give it to another is. I noticed you ignored the other questions in my post.
    No its really not. They have the power to tax. They have the power to spend.
    I think just from reading these forums that we can assume Republicans like the constitution... except they prefer to ignore the 14th, 15th, 16th and 24th amendments a lot.
    See:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...bassem-youssef

    The only amendment they take seriously is the 2nd.
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    Everyone is pro-US. They just don't know it yet.
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