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  1. #61
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    I don't think too many people quit. After all ToT is/was a pretty cool raid. Even though besidse raiding there's not much interesting to doo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heresy View Post
    You do play on EU-Outland though, which is arguably the most populated EU server.

    You should check out Hakkar or Sporeggar in prime time. Or any of the other low population servers.
    I ment in general EU.
    Just look at the Realmlist, In cataclysm around this time only Outland had ever status Full/locked.

    We are now in Mists of Pandaria, and now we have 10 Full/locked.
    That is 10x as much, Subs might drop still but WoW is alot more active atm then it was in cata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterbom View Post
    I have a dream. One big dynamic server that would expand depending on the number of players, like the towns grow and everything. Maybe sometime in the future a game will have that.
    Player housing and other real player additions to Azeroth have been heavily discussed over the years and its been proven loud and clear that its completley impossible to do this.

    The reason being that Wow has a VERY old game with a very old game engine and this cannot be redesigned to allow for this. All of the servers r programmed in such a way that the Wow engine cannot in any way work dynamically with the servers which means any changes to Azeroth (therefore the servers) wont work. Im no programmer but the raeson is something like this and its been proven time and again by techies who know this kinda stuff...

    The only way to do anything like this is to release Wow2 fully redesigned and open new servers for the new game.

    It is however possible to instance housing etc which is what Blizzard are already doing with other aspects of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    I ment in general EU.
    Just look at the Realmlist, In cataclysm around this time only Outland had ever status Full/locked.

    We are now in Mists of Pandaria, and now we have 10 Full/locked.
    That is 10x as much, Subs might drop still but WoW is alot more active atm then it was in cata.
    I'm not denying the fact that there are more people on the full population servers, but it's because people on the low population servers are moving away because of there only being 1-3 active raid guilds on their server.

    http://wow.realmpop.com/eu.html

    If you look at this page (okay, it's not 100% accurate, but it's as accurate as we can get cause of it checking the AH data + guild data every 10-12 days.)

    EU-Outland has reported 206k characters. If we merge all the 13-14 lowest pop servers, we end up with one server with 196-217k characters. So about same as EU-Outland.

    The low pop servers really need some love, because they are dying out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heresy View Post
    I'm not denying the fact that there are more people on the full population servers, but it's because people on the low population servers are moving away because of there only being 1-3 active raid guilds on their server.

    http://wow.realmpop.com/eu.html

    If you look at this page (okay, it's not 100% accurate, but it's as accurate as we can get cause of it checking the AH data + guild data every 10-12 days.)

    EU-Outland has reported 206k characters. If we merge all the 13-14 lowest pop servers, we end up with one server with 196-217k characters. So about same as EU-Outland.

    The low pop servers really need some love, because they are dying out.
    Well x-realm them all togheter and make 1 AH with the new x-realm future that they are making, then we got it fixed =P
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    My guesstimate is 500k+ sub loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    I ment in general EU.
    Just look at the Realmlist, In cataclysm around this time only Outland had ever status Full/locked.

    We are now in Mists of Pandaria, and now we have 10 Full/locked.
    That is 10x as much, Subs might drop still but WoW is alot more active atm then it was in cata.
    Thats cos all of the Wow refugees r xferring to your realm! lol

    I played on Draenor EU and our population went up significantly during Cata, but u soon realised the vast majority of 'new' players were all xferred from other realms. Trade chat was full of new guilds with stories of leaving bad realms to come to our busier realm. Outland must be exactly the same.

    Whats sad is those of us on Draenor built up the realm to keep it fun and cool and a whole load of strangers turned up within a few months and suddenly we didnt even recognise our own realm The community changed and suffered from its own issues of so many 'top' players from all over EU.

    All of these 'new' players to your realm are not new subs they have simply xferred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    Well x-realm them all togheter and make 1 AH with the new x-realm future that they are making, then we got it fixed =P
    Once they include x-realm guilds, x-realm AH's etc etc then yeah, that could be a solution.

    It's quite interesting to look further into the stats on this page though, f.ex EU-Outland has 40336 characters level 86-90, and EU-Hakkar has 362.

    I do hope they manage to find a good solution, without having to merge servers, because of the aforementioned problems that might appear with people throwing a fit when they lose their char name they had for the previous 5-8 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endemonadia View Post
    Player housing and other real player additions to Azeroth have been heavily discussed over the years and its been proven loud and clear that its completley impossible to do this.

    The reason being that Wow has a VERY old game with a very old game engine and this cannot be redesigned to allow for this. All of the servers r programmed in such a way that the Wow engine cannot in any way work dynamically with the servers which means any changes to Azeroth (therefore the servers) wont work. Im no programmer but the raeson is something like this and its been proven time and again by techies who know this kinda stuff...

    The only way to do anything like this is to release Wow2 fully redesigned and open new servers for the new game.

    It is however possible to instance housing etc which is what Blizzard are already doing with other aspects of the game.
    Thats kinda why I said "Maybe sometime in the future a game will have that."
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    I think ToT will increase player retention quite a bit. Seems like most people are very happy with it. Id imagine the bad luck protection on rolls will help keep people since they wont get angry and ragequit!
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  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    My prediction? Everyone will make a big deal out of it for no apparent reason.
    This pretty much sums it up.

    Since when did a company's quarterly earnings call become a statement of how good/bad a video game is doing? There are days where I wish the lack of knowledge that the internet provides us access to were back. Back when you picked up a video game on the recommendation of a friend, and played it cause it was FUN.

    Are you having fun? If yes, continue! If no, submit feedback through proper methods and channels on what you don't find fun, or seek entertainment elsewhere.

    Nobody is making you play WoW. If you don't like the game, go elsewhere. If you do, what does it matter?
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    Games are not necessarily "easier" today. You are just a better player.
    It takes more now to impress many gamers than it did 2-5 years ago, because so much has already been seen and done.
    Many players expect to be wow'd with every release of a beloved franchise.
    These are generally NOT the fault of the developers, but the fault of many players over-hyping and/or setting expectations too high.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroEdgeir View Post
    Nobody is making you play WoW. If you don't like the game, go elsewhere. If you do, what does it matter?
    If u bothered to read the threead then u would see some people have invested in shares and therefore r obviously interested. And also if u bothered reading this thread u would see that there is very little flaming or hostile bullcrap. Its a serious discussion which is nice to see for a change on Wow forums

  13. #73
    I don't care much because...

    If WoW loses 1 mill subscribers, people will claim that WoW is dead.
    If WoW loses 100k subscribers, people will claim that WoW is dead.
    If WoW loses 10k subscribers, people will claim that WoW is dead.
    If WoW gains any subscribers, people will claim its a statistical anomaly and that WoW is Dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by re1gn1te View Post
    Wow could gain a million sub's and people will cry about how wow is dead and dying... Most of the time you can't fix stupidity.
    A Million new players are much less valuable than a million old subscribing pros. Think on that for awhile.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    I don't really care and I'm curious as to why others do?

    I consume Blizz's product, thats the sum total of my relatioship with them. I don't follow Audi's results and obsess over their sales figures because I drive one.
    I'm interested in them similarly to how I'm interested in any numbers related to the game, because those affect the development and the design of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterbom View Post
    Thats kinda why I said "Maybe sometime in the future a game will have that."
    And my point is that its impossible therefore it cannot be done in the future... they would have to create a new game and call it Wow2 if they wanted to do this. And lets face it, thats not gonna happen cos its too expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Googolplex View Post
    I don't care much because...

    If WoW loses 1 mill subscribers, people will claim that WoW is dead.
    If WoW loses 100k subscribers, people will claim that WoW is dead.
    If WoW loses 10k subscribers, people will claim that WoW is dead.
    If WoW gains any subscribers, people will claim its a statistical anomaly and that WoW is Dead.
    Doesn't matter what people say, this is not interesting in the slightest. Who cares what someone on the internet says, learn to get a thicker shell, will server you well. I speak from much experience.

    What is interesting is the figures they present. How and if they are skewed and how the overall state of Wow seems to be as a result to the general public.
    I would predict a drop but nothing that will fall into the *danger zone* Blizzard have mapped out - when this is breached, then we might see some emergency measures such as lower sub fee, free x or y (transfers, changes) for short period of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    As I said in the previous thread - either subs stayed the same or went down. If they went up - Blizz would've already put out a press release saying so as they did 1 week after Q3 ended.
    Didn't they do that because the MoP launch just missed the quarterly report?
    If so then no, they wouldn't have made a press release about it. They would just leave it for the next quarterly report as usual. We've found out in past reports that the numbers have gone up so I'm not sure why you think things have changed because of one time when the launch of an expansion missed the last report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by re1gn1te View Post
    Wow could gain a million sub's and people will cry about how wow is dead and dying... Most of the time you can't fix stupidity.
    Those million gained probably log in once a day to do pet battles. Is that money for them? Yes. Does it make the game any better? No. The game itself is worse now than it has been for quite awhile. Throne of Thunder was an awesome tier but everything surrounding it is just awful. I definitely see a subscription loss though.
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    A 40+ page thread of pointless bickering is my guess.
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