How about we let the parenting of kids to... their parents? No, seriously, World of Warcraft is a videogame. Gaming it's supposed to be a fun activity (if you have that fun through challenges, social interactions, etc is completely up to you). Not some kind of "School of Hard Knocks about the Real World".
Except what Trassk said while insulting has more truth than what you said. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Thrall hate needs to stop.Don't try to rationalize with Thrall fans, to them its fun to follow a pacifist and coward without needing to appear subtle.
I assume that majority of people do not enjoy experiencing metzen's mental/spiritual masturbation. Seriously i read better fapfiction's than what this guy is writing.
And I seen more constructive comments better than you.
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You do know what that makes you look like right? Someone who spends time ripping on one of the chief developers of warcraft because of him having a passion for what he does? It makes you look shallow. And same to others of the same class.
What I appreciate about people like metzen is he puts a lot of hard work into what he does, and shows how much he enjoys it. He also loves the characters he helped to create, since despite your lack of understanding of the creative process, you keep using the same immature retort of sueism against him and what he creates.
I'd certainly like to see you attempt to create characters with the kind of dedication metzen has, but I'll just assume your a forum complainer with no creative talent jumping on the nearest bandwagon.
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The problem is with the developement. In Cataclysm Thrall was being showed to our throats every few minutes. He literally became a central character in a game that didn't really have one, and it felt quite awkward. The culmination in Dragon Soul... well, I guess everybody connected to the creation of both story and mechanics of this raid already knows how much he screwed up. Thrall being the Ultimate Deus Ex Machina was going one step too far.
Thats pretty much the problem. The overdevelopement of this character made him tired, at least for some time. MoP started developing many other important characters, like Jaina, Vol'Jin, Baine, Anduin, Varian or Chen, nobody felt we need another one in this box. So, when Thrall comes in AGAIN, after having so much screen time already, and starts playing martyr, it doesn't feel right. Blizzard (Metzen) made a mistake with Thralls silly developement in Cata, they should let go a bit.
Final attack of the SoO battle, as we all lay on the ground battered and dying, with Thrall dead and mounted in chains on the gates of Orgrimmar as a warning to the Horde.. A huge shadow appears in the throne room door. Gamon bellows "Not in my Town!!!!! Charges and cleaves the possessed Garrosh's head in two.
end of instance.
However, casting Thrall into the background because of the mistakes made in cataclysm isn't creative, its trying to avoid taking responsibility. If they want to right some of the wrongs they did such as to Thrall, then keep him in the background for a bit, but then show that he is a horde character, one prepared to fight for his people. Show that he isn't all powerful, but then show his dedication to his people is stronger then anything Garrosh could throw at him. Also show that in Thralls journey and even becoming a father has taught me much more about what matters to his people then Garrosh can ever give them. And have this wake the orcs up to realizing there mistake in following Garrosh.
this would bring Thrall down to earth and make him humble again, you could even have Varian save him as Garrosh goes to bring gorehowl down on Thrall, and the two of them both fight Garrosh.
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1 million years, dungeon!
"Behold those who have power, and who are not afraid to wield it. Behold... the warlocks!" -Gul'dan
Actually Baine is hardly developed. I'm a little disappointed he isn't doing anything.
What I would like to see (and what I doubt will happen) is Thrall actually having a sort of conversation with Garrosh. They have had it when Thrall gave up the leadership, they have had one more in the Shattering, where Thrall decided forgive Garrosh for killing Cairne. Every time (well, besides the moment when Garrosh dueled Thrall) Garry was quite calm and respectfull when talking to Thrall. I really wonder how it would look now, after all this time.
I think we will do scenario in 5.4 where we go with Go'el and in the end we lose Garrosh (he is captured) and next when we se him is corrupted by Sha and we have to fight him till his hp goes to 10% !
BTW Shamans dont use mass teleport
War is deception, a game played best from the shadows!
Garrosh is a predicable character, and pretty one dimensional.
He was raised by humans but he was strong enough to appose his master his teacher. If he was human-lover coward he would stay with Blackmoore be his champion, train army and hell knows what would happen then. But he had his own will to oppose him free his people from slavery and PROPHET DIDT TELL HIM TO RALLY CLANS he just told him to go to Kalimdor, which says nothing about Thralls leadership. Medivh just warned him because he knew that Burning Legion was coming, he warned lot other people so what? Everyone who listened him are idiots who Cant do anything by himself/herself?
Why should a good Leader do something for HIMSELF? Dont understand.
And when he got in Kalimdor he had already quite good army and Allies like trolls. He imminently Allied with Tauren people. Only problem for him was to find a perceft place to build city - not inexperience. And he solved every problem like expert. He allied with Tauren (native people would tell them more) who gave them food and information. He ordered idiot Grom Hellscream (we was foolish like his son is) to harvest lumber and DO NOT ATTACK humans but noooo, Gromm's little brains could not understand that and he started war vs human and if not thrall we would be wiped out. Then Gromm started war against Night Elves without negotiating with them and then he made grave mistake to drink blood of demon in order to defeat single group of night elves. How pathetic.
War is deception, a game played best from the shadows!
LOL!Another thing that gets me is the general chat when inside the Garrison. It totally reminds me of every prison film I've ever watched. The prisoners confined to their cells are talking to each other through the walls. Their chat is mostly pointless, vulgar and revolving around stuff they ll do once they get out. This is EXACTLY the content of every Garrison chat I've ever had to tolerate.
He isn't a spineless coward. Moreover, being humble has nothing to do with lacking pride. He takes pride in the Horde that he built, pride in his child, pride in all he has tried to accomplish, and to see what Garrosh has turned the Horde into... it's almost like defamation of Thrall's legacy and the memory of their ancestors, which would stand as an affront to his pride. He is full of pride when he decides to saunter into Ogrimmar on his own to try and raise an army.
There is no doubt that Thrall is a proud orc, and he has many things to be proud of. I see no reason why the Sha of Pride (if Garrosh has it with him in Ogrimmar) wouldn't take advantage of that and try to turn him as well. If Blizz didn't want to make him a completely worthless character, they would make it so that he isn't able to resist the corruption.
meh, I'm willing to bet the biggest lose the horde will have major character's wise will be Garrosh. Metzen's alter ego will be around as long as this franchise exists. Vol'jin and Lor'themar have been given to much attention to be put up to the chopping block, in any way beyond speculation. MAYBE they will kill off some of the lesser Orc characters like Entrig and Saurfang (which i don't want them to, but again this is speculation). I would have hopped Blizzard would make or at teh least retcon a new Orc character who is in a lot of ways like thrall and in ways like Garrosh. one who has genuine respect for all the horde races but also cut throat enough to stick it to the allies when the situation called for it. but of course this is all just wishful thinking, that mantle has pretty much fallen to Vol'jin.
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