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    If he gets killed, props to Blizzard on throwing a curve ball no one honestly expected.

    I AM expecting Aggra to possibly die however.
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    I would say Blizzard is made of fail if this is so. Thrall's Destiny has been the driving force of Warcraft since reign of Chaos. His future is seen as vital by the Infinite Dragonflight. His presence on every quest was always hero in the making moment. Battled demons, raised a nation, saved the world. If this was a hollywood movie he would be Hugh Jackman and the rest character actors. This is a signifgant character. You don't throw away his life to a chump like Garrosh in an effortless swing.

    Killing him off in a cutscene/(scenario) would just be pathetic. More than that it would truly tell players not only have the jumped the shark but they really don't care anymore.

    Also he's a shaman right? Never understood why Cairne didn't just Reincarnate after he died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    I never said there was no conflict. YOU are saying that is what I said.
    /rolls eyes, except that is as least what I got from what you said.


    Spend 10 seconds on WoWpedia and you can find the information out. You're welcome.
    sure thing.

    Yeah, the Alliance does so because Camp Taurajo was equipping Horde warriors. Play both sides and you'll get why that quest line is so awesome (From both angles). By the way, this still is in response to the Night Elves' plight. They're trying to get to them, and they're fighting the Horde along the way. Camp Taurajo was equipping Warriors.
    reasons mean little when they themselves are attacking innocents and burning down villages. if it was a strategic attack then you must think it was "justified". just drape the "we're the good guys" cloak over it, works like a charm.

    Except the Alliance didn't start the War. That's the entire point and the main different that you're just blatantly ignoring.
    still used a bunch of murderers and traitorous enemies of the horde to get what they wanted, that is the point YOU are blatantly ignoring. again cover it with the drape and it makes it AALLLLLL better.

    Again, I never said there was no conflict. I'm not actually sure how you managed to make your post. Did you start writing it before you finished reading my entire comment? The Alliance didn't do the same thing elsewhere. You're just wrong here, sorry.
    exploited a disaster to gain victories, check.
    attacked innocents and burned down villages, check.
    used a common ally/enemy to assist them in their war efforts, check.
    "were the good guys!" "doesn't mean the same for us!"
    fine, oh there were skirmishes but there wasn't all out war, you win, good for you, I don't care.
    Morals don't have place in War? Wasn't that the whole point of Garrosh's "You are dismissed" scene in Cataclysm that his fans love pointing to? Isn't that the whole point of Jaina being stopped from destroying Orgrimmar with a Tidal Wave? Isn't that the whole point of the goddamn Rebellion and taking down Garrosh
    Morals are a means of keeping people in check, rules that so often get broken and lost by the way side. it's obvious in war such things things happen but that doesn't mean "final Justice" doesn't get served to the big bad guy. or people remember such things from going down such dark paths. in war it is about WINNING not how can we best conduct ourselves to see we treat our enemies, I can make plenty of real life examples of such. if you think I'm sitting here going to make what Garrosh has done justifiable, I wont since its beyond reprehensible. I simply see the reality of it. Morals will win the day but when you are in the midst of conflict it means very little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    I simply see the reality of it. Morals will win the day but when you are in the midst of conflict it means very little.
    A theme for a lot of war movies, such as Black Hawk Down, is that to soldiers, politics and why the war is even being fought in the first place are meaningless.

    The main reason soldiers fight and kill is so that they can go home alive and to help their comrades do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastlivingsoul View Post
    Killing him off in a cutscene/(scenario) would just be pathetic. More than that it would truly tell players not only have the jumped the shark but they really don't care anymore..
    Thrall is the biggest Orc character we have right now. Do we really need to see more Orc deaths here?
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    I am pretty sick of Thrall. I wouldn't mond Garrosh killing him.

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    I'd like to see sth like this

    1. Garrosh kiddnap Thralls wife and child
    2. Thrall tries to rescue them
    3. Garros kill them
    4. Thrall goes nuts and kill Garrosh in rampage
    5. Thralls mind is weakened
    6. Old god posses Thralls weakened mind and forces him to destroy the world
    7. Players fight with Thrall
    8. In the middle of the fight Rexxar appears
    9. He tries to influence the Thrall and bring back his mind to normal
    10. He fails
    11. Players and the Horde and the Alliance union defeats Thrall
    12. Thralls has his mind back before death
    13. In his last words he entrust the Horde to Rexxar
    14. Rexxar becomes a new Warchief of the Horde
    15. The union between the Alliance and the Horde doesn't last long, cuz the Alliance tries to take adventage of weakened Horde and destroy them.
    16. This one i don't know yet...maybe Horde sign a pact with the Burning Legion to fight back the Alliance?
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    Alright, peace out bros.

    Tired of arguing against people who are complaining about things I hadn't said. I should just stop arguing with Garrosh apologists.

    Just wanted to check and...yup, never once said "We're the good guys!" in this conversation. Wanted to make sure I hadn't gone insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    A theme for a lot of war movies, such as Black Hawk Down, is that to soldiers, politics and why the war is even being fought in the first place are meaningless.

    The main reason soldiers fight and kill is so that they can go home alive and to help their comrades do the same.
    that's the way war is in general. weather political or otherwise the means by which it's conducted are rarely shining examples of humanity and mercy. at least not from a leadership stand point. soldiers, not generals or even officers are by and large the "heroic" ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldstrong View Post
    Thrall will then pretty much be chained somewhere in Orgrimmar. Bolvar v.2 maybe? Hanging in chains atop Garrosh throne.
    *gloomy voice* There most all ways be, a Warchief. *lightning*
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    Also he's a shaman right? Never understood why Cairne didn't just Reincarnate after he died.
    Because he forgot to buy ankhs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    soldiers, not generals or even officers are by and large the "heroic" ones.
    and yet its always the officers that get the lions shares of the glory or the blame
    But as you said, the point of war is to inflict death and destruction, it dsnt really tend to bring out "nicer" qualties within people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doombringer View Post
    Perhaps we'll have Garrosh break Thrall. Physically, Bane-style. It would be a way to retire the character without killing him off.
    I can dig it. Snap Thrall in half and toss him in a hole in Nagrand along with the corpse of Aggra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcsmith View Post
    Wow, a creature (Thrall) who has no right to live on Azeroth respects the people that do... Garrosh is just trying to "expand the horde?" Shame he has no right to even live on the planet.
    The right to live on a planet ? Who gives those rights out ?

    Take the right to live where you want or die, the humans are just abominations and crippled offspring from Vrykul, they don't have the right too I guess.

    On the OP: I just hope he wont solve the majority of the Garrosh problem alone, making him again the super hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastlivingsoul View Post
    Also he's a shaman right? Never understood why Cairne didn't just Reincarnate after he died.
    because in lore those thing aren't just a spell with long cd like it is in game, i'm not even sure that those spells are canon, if they follow the same concept of hearthstone they are at last super rare.
    How about we let the parenting of kids to... their parents? No, seriously, World of Warcraft is a videogame. Gaming it's supposed to be a fun activity (if you have that fun through challenges, social interactions, etc is completely up to you). Not some kind of "School of Hard Knocks about the Real World".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    fine, I'll retract my previous "attempts" to make Garrosh's attack on Theramore a lil less justified.
    The issue is not if it was "justified". As the war is occurring, it was a legitimate target. Even a smart one.

    The trouble I have is that by trying to make Theramore a target because it "broke"some pact, you turn Garrosh into a victim instead of what he truly is. Theramore had to be destroyed because it was evil and nasty and decided to attack Garrosh when his back was turned fighting the Alliance.

    Theramore was a legitimate target because it was was fully engaged in a war Garrosh started when he invaded the Night Elf territories ranging from Azshara through Feralas. Theramore was a target because Garrosh started a war against the Alliance because he thought attacking the Allince while it was fighting Deathwing and Ragnaros would lead to victory instead of "The Broken Front" repeated.

    Theramore did not throw away its "pact", did not lose its "neutrality".

    Everything of that nature was voided the moment Garrosh attacked. Garrosh and the Horde were not victims here.

    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    Spend 10 seconds on WoWpedia and you can find the information out. You're welcome.
    The NElfs were never short of food and water. Garroshes blockade was an attempt to shut them off from support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    reasons mean little when they themselves are attacking innocents and burning down villages.
    Camp Taurajo was a soft target. It was also as legitimate a target as Theramore and treated far better.

    exploited a disaster to gain victories, check.
    Horde - yes. Alliance? No. The entire Alliance war effort exists because Garrosh started a war. Garrosh exploited the cataclysm to attack the Alliance while its back was figuratively turned. The Alliance fought back.

    attacked innocents and burned down villages, check.
    The former is wrong - unlike the Horde, they haven't deliberately gone out of their way to attack "innocents". Civilians die in war. It's unfortunate, its tragic but it happens. And this is a war started by Garrosh and the Horde. As for burned down villages? Yes...CT was burned. The entire point of the attack was to remove it as a threat.

    used a common ally/enemy to assist them in their war efforts, check.
    I'm not sure which incident you refer to here. The Grimtotems in Stonetalon? If so, I'm not quite sure why this is "bad". Because they don't like the Horde?

    "were the good guys!" "doesn't mean the same for us!"
    Of the two sides in the game right now, only one started the war.

    Quote Originally Posted by jahasafrat View Post
    I can dig it. Snap Thrall in half and toss him in a hole in Nagrand along with the corpse of Aggra.
    Thrall shouldn't die.

    But his character needs a VERY long rest and to be better wriiten, with more thought about how and when and how he is used. Its why I thinK Saurfang should be used here. He has a history with Garrosh, he is someone Garrosh and most Orcs (even the Alliance) respect and Blizzard has more freedom, so killing him off would be more of a viable option.

    EJL
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    I really hope we've seen the last of Vol'jin, I'm starting to seriously hate that guy. Ugh, what an idiot and a hypocrit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Of the two sides in the game right now, only one started the war.
    Starting a war does not neccecarily make the aggressor in the wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Starting a war does not neccecarily make the aggressor in the wrong
    Maybe. In this case, issues such as a pre-emptive strike don't exist.

    EJL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastlivingsoul View Post
    Also he's a shaman right? Never understood why Cairne didn't just Reincarnate after he died.
    In lore and sometimes in game it takes a ritual to resurrect people. Also remember how he was killed, by poison. Which could be another reason he can't come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    I really hope we've seen the last of Vol'jin, I'm starting to seriously hate that guy. Ugh, what an idiot and a hypocrit.
    And this ladies and gentlemen is the usual trait we see with the fanbase, whenever a hero in the story becomes a central character, the fanbase turns on them for taking the spotlight away from them.

    Don't believe me? Tirion had it, then Thrall had it, and looks like the 'vol'jin's such a mary sue now' will begin.
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    I'm sick of Thrall. Can't this guy retire and take care of his family?

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