I know Thrall just turned into Go'el but it would be great if we could do another 180 and help him get his Doomhammer regalia back. Even if it's not to make him Warchief.
Literally the only reason he ever even became Go'el was to have an opportunity to shoot laserbeams out of some trinket which honestly anyone else could have done. He could have easily stayed Warchief but helped the Earthen Ring maintain the Maelstrom too. The entire Cataclysm Thrall story-arc was entirely unnecessary and in fact a detriment to the Warcraft storyline.
Last edited by Flaks; 2013-05-06 at 03:02 AM.
Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfangi7-860 @2.8GHz | Radeon HD 7770 | 8GB DDR3-1333MHz | Corsair CX 430W |
Please, tell me how they are even remotely similar. Because they mega-attacked the bosses of their own expansions? That's not a very convincing argument. I really hate how the Lich King died too, btw.
Last edited by KrazyK923; 2013-05-06 at 03:16 AM.
But I think ultimatly the difference is that Garrosh eventually won against the Scourge. Not so much against the Alliance.
By the time the end of Cata came around, things werent lookin to good for the Horde.
Ashenvele, the main reason for the war, was far from being secured, and then the whole human/dwarf invasion of the Barrens and even Durotar
Another point about the Scourge, which as covered in some Know Your Lore article, was that Garrosh learned to fight against the Scourge.
The Scourge were undead, they knew no fear, no negotiation, the only way to defeat them was through brute strength and force.
Even Thrall laments on that in the Shattering, how the current generation of Horde warriors killed undead, which isnt the same as killing people who have feelings and families
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Garrosh can just be exiled/imprisoned or whatever, would be fine by me, and just come back a better person for it
The Hellscream name dsnt deserve to be just left in the gutter
But, not exactly keepin my hopes up here
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
Then he remained alone in the Plaguelands, accepting of course the help of both Horde and Alliance, because of his new found ideals. And while in Wotlk he returned by that lost hole of the Eastern to become the hero of all, he was just leading a neutral organitazion with a common goal. This doesn't mean at all that he is not affiliated with the Alliance anymore, he just lead a neutral army, but if he choose to stop to a non-Argent camp, he will undoubtely choose the Alliance one (as seen in Howling Fjord) and is very unlikely that he would be fully accepted to walk on Orgrimmar or Undercity as he likes just because his Argent Crusade have orcs and forsaken that choose to side with him. Still, he remain a "neutral character" because while he IS Alliance, he don't share their feelings toward the Horde and prefer to lead the Argent Crusade. And Thrall was the same story. He was a member, than leader, of a neutral organization of shamans, with orcs, tauren, dwarves, draenei ecc. with the commong goal to save the world, while the one of Tirion was to destroy the evil (same result in the end) and while Thrall has been the Horde leader during the past expansions, he was the best person on the Horde that could decide to accept the help of the Alliance and become neutral, because he never hated the Alliance, instead of many of the orcs, the trolls except Vol'jin (that still had much less trust in them than Thrall) the blood elves and the forsaken. Well, nearly all of them, even many tauren have a strong hate now for the Alliance for the events in the Barrens, don't be fooled by Baine and his lovely friendship with the blond shorty.
Thrall just wanted to protect the Horde, not destroy the Alliance, and the only reason for which an Alliance player felt more strange work with Thrall than for a Horde one work with Tirion, was just for in-game material (a lot of people didn't even knew the story of Tirion when they did his quests) but storywise there is no difference at all.
As Tirion, Thrall doesn't share the same hate and distrust for the Alliance as his other Horde brethren have, and until MoP he remained in a similar situation. Still, the fact that Thrall was on Durotar playing with babies doesn't mean that he returned totally Horde-affiliated and in war with the Alliance, that is just his home. And now is just active in the Darkspear rebellion, nothing strange about it.
God, imagine Thrall if he said "i have problems with the world and the elements, the Horde it is not my faction anymore, good job" ? All the Thrall haters jumping in the wagon saying "Look that suck ass, he made all this mess and doesn't even show his face !!11!1!! Thrall is a stupid asshole, i HOPE HE DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!1!!11!1!" And still people desire his death regardless for stupid reasons. Amazing.
Thrall would be possibile to considered again a full Horde character just if he decide to leave the Earthen Ring for good for not leave a Horde leaderless after the dethroning of Garrosh.
The only real difference beetwen Thrall and Tirion in their role is that Tirion was a...moderate presence, in Cata there was definetly too much Thrall, and things like the FR chain and the wedding...well, i didn't like them at all, just for say it in a good manner.
About the Lich King, i liked the way he died instead, because make sense with the Arthas's character in WotLK. Still, i felt the "There must always be a Lich King" a bit strained.
If Thrall have weaknesses and inner demons, if a pussy annoying emo.
I mean, i agree that Thrall as Warchief had more grit, but was just character developement, and was not that bad see Thrall having grounded doubts about his role as Warchief, if he was the right leader for them or not, was a transion of his character. There is even the chance that when his doubts and fears about all this painful "Garrosh's Horde" mess is done, he could become like before, maybe even better.
He's a good guy who made a mistake, GUESS WHAT, People make mistakes, you see it all the time, doesn't mean they should suffer for it. And Thrall is right now back in 5.3 and putting himself on the line to try and deal with this problem.
He does what he can to right things, but thats not good enough for some of the negative coots in this community.
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And hey, all you negative drips trying to use the Garrosh excuse to accuse Thrall of making a mistake, GUESS WHAT, You made the mistake in believeing Garrosh was something good for the horde, all of you garry fans did. Maybe we should string all you up for making such a blunder of misjudgement.
Keep it civil please.
Last edited by Zaelsino; 2013-05-06 at 01:32 PM.
'Garrosh is such a good leader, blizzard just made him evil, thats not him'
'Its all Thralls fault, he's such a mary sue, he made the mistake of giving Garrosh power (he's a mary sue but makes mistakes, see why its bullshit what people say)'
'Anduin is such a mary sue now, he should die'.
This games become f***ing toxic because of the community these days.