But that's completely different from a random LFG group. I can't count the times where I was joined by a fresh 90 healer. I certainly don't mind that either. I recently got my priest to 90 too. Everyone's gotta start somewhere. But when some idiot starts mass pulling and the healer can't keep up, I get pissed. If you want bigger pulls; ask in party chat! Don't just go and do shit on your own because I will vote-kick you. And if the vote fails, I simply leave.
Simple communication prevents so much annoyance. But it seems like pretty much everyone I find in LFG groups are either spamming idiots or mutes who seem to have forgotten the basic skills of interaction with anyone living.
Seriously, I can't stress this enough; if you want to do anything in a group that deviates from 'normal', ask it. It's not hard and nobody will think less of you. Quite the contrary even. The very best part of someone breaking the ice in a random group is that more often than not, people come out of their shell and also chat during a run. That makes it so much more enjoyable.
Some tanks got a small manhood so they have to act like the alpha leader, aka they wanna pull in their slowass pace, 1 and 1 pack regardless of their gear.
By having a hunter MD pulling its making them look less manly, so they vote kick the hunter and feel that makes em the "leader" again. its quite sad :/
I still remember the old adage you pull it you tank it comes to mind.. But the number one rule now days is never pull before the tank unless asked too by said tank as things can go pear shaped if the tank / heals and other dps are not ready..
To clarify what happened in my example: I did not pull when the healer's mana was low, I did not pull when the tank was waiting for a cooldown (specifically because the pull in question that got me in trouble was right after the first boss and we had to run down a hall for 30 seconds to get to it). I pulled when the tank was running in, the mobs took 1 second to run towards the tank, step on my 3 traps and by that time the tank was on them.
I can admit that looking back at it now, one other possible reason he was upset could have been that he didn't get to set them up for the first second himself, maybe wasn't the optimal 'cleave' grouping for a second and he had to take a step back once he was at them.
Maybe I just have a warped mind when it comes to what I think is fun, but I have a warrior tank alt and I always loved when a group tested me. Sure that dps isn't attacking the right target, even if I taunt it I might not generate enough threat in time to keep it on me, so I keep threat on the other 2 and taunt juggle the last one. I guess most people play the game to simply 'farm' things for raids and don't want any extra hassle. I don't play for the raids anymore, I used to and was good at it, but these days I play for fun in the moment. Playing a tank also adds to the fact that I have a good idea of when the tank is 'ready' and I do watch the healer's mana pool before doing extreme pulls.
Someone said that back in TBC I wouldn't have been doing these types of pulls.... Actually I did more of them. Back then we couldn't throw traps, so I often asked if I could lead, and I would lay a trap, pull the mobs have the tank be next closest, wait for the trap to go off, make sure the tank is in combat, feign, distracting shot mob 2, place second trap. BAM 2 trapped mobs. Loved doing that. It seems like we went from the days of the AFK hunter in MC, to the skillfull hunter in TBC, to the lack of CC in wrath, to the AFK hunter again now in Pandaland. I bet if I autoshot the whole instance no one would mind.
The best icebreaker I had the other day in a 5 man was when I forgot to take my pets taunt off from questing. I said "Sorry, pet growl off now." one hair of a second before the tank said "Please turn pet taunt off". I joked around then saying "Beat you too it". He laughed, I laughed, we all laughed... it was a good time. No issues in that group after that, still did the same MD'ing things.
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My motto in wow is Adapt, I only kick someone if they are purposely sabotaging a run.
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If I run a random and see a hunter with under 375k hp with the buffs, I want to kick them right there, or I spend half the instance waiting on their pet to die because they don't turn the taunt off. Even though they have been told numerous times. I usually carry the dps while tanking so I don't care if they are sub-par dps, the only thing that irks me is the pet tanking the 5 man bosses. I seem to get grouped with players 30-40 ilvls lower and the little bit of vengeance I do get from the bosses helps me get out of there faster.
Don't expect others to use the chat function if you don't do it yourself.
Also, did you check if the healer had mana? Just a courtesy perhaps but still, guess healers find it nice to have mana to do what they're joined up for.
Last edited by Amorac; 2013-04-29 at 09:51 PM.
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That being said, I misdirect quite a bit as the tank is pulling a pack, but only pull for them if it's someone I know.
OP - Try tanking some time. It's really, really annoying when DPS is trying to "help". Not necessarily because they are doing your job, but because maybe something is off cooldown or it's something that needs to be LoS pulled so you can have proper control over it.
You may have just been kicked for your DPS though, you'll never know without a meter. Optimal single target DPS does not good 5 man DPS make.
Well, as I am tanking in dungeons due to the instant (almost queue), I never have problems with others pulling, BUT its the 2nd tier in the expansion so every dungeon is a faceroll nowdays, however, if it was at the beginning I would propably be pissed off.
In addition, there is no fun, if you are going pack by pack pull, ninja pulls gives that little taste the dungeons need to become attractive... xD
When I'm tanking on an alt, I couldn't care less if a Hunter MD'd a pack ahead of me. I was going to pull the next 6 packs anyways. I love pulling the entire room to the right boss in Jade Temple. Gets really fun when the healer gets sleeped. And if for some reason another DPS pulls ahead of me while I'm not close enough to care, I let the puller die before I get aggro and help out the rest of the group. I expect the same treatment when I mess around and pull ahead of the tank.
My pet peeve when tanking are Hunters who can't realize, after I let their pet die 8 times, that their Growl is on. Seriously? Figure it out, at least ask why I'm not holding aggro. I might decide to let you know a thing or two. I absolutely love Dire Maul, the side with those super hard hitting ogres for this tactic. Those freakin 2 shot pets.
While on my Hunter, I haven't used MD in a random since October. Nowadays, I can just chain pull by myself with some Traps and Binding Shot, but I only do that in guild runs. Or the first boss room of Stormstout Brewery.