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  1. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    Whaaaaaaaaaat? It was BY FAR the most interesting subject I had during my study abroad. Maybe university level psy is more interesting, I guess?
    It's also entirely possible the teacher was shit. She did get fired after one semester.

    I've always been a "hard" science kind of guy though. Physics really filled me with energy in the morning and in chemistry I was really in my element.

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  2. #462
    Quote Originally Posted by LocNess View Post
    You had to have a shitty history class then.

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    Not sure if serious?
    Shitty indeed, I can see it being fun if it had something, just something to do with economy, but yeh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    Or, you know, you could question the methods we use today, and improve them?

    Life is about progress, not about sucking everything up and doing nothing about it.
    And you need to know where the methods of today came from to understand the underpinnings.

    Teachers being shit at their jobs doesn't indicate the subject is useless, it indicates the teacher is shit at their job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    It's also entirely possible the teacher was shit. She did get fired after one semester.
    Teachers are a very important part, if not THE MOST important part about how well someone accepts a subject. If the teacher is able to make it fun and interesting, you immediately gain more interest in the subject itself.

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    Rather than removing advanced subjects from school we should simply remove stupid people. I completely agree with the OP that the morons are never going to need to know advanced mathematics, we should simply send them off to a glorified crèche where they learn how to cook and whatnot. Then the intelligent ones amongst us can continue our education without mouth-breathers clogging up the system. It's win-win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Helping View Post
    History as a whole should be removed.
    "Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes" George Santayana.

    I disagree for this reason, as humanity have made a lot of mistakes in the past.

  7. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by Cattlehunter View Post
    You had some pretty shitty teachers then.

    Are you the kind of guy who complains about how stupid our politicians are, while simultaneously advocating that we should institute changes that make people vote for stupid politicians? Or are you that one person who thinks that our politicians are exactly what we need?

    Math aside (its utility is obvious), history is politic's laboratory. If you don't know history, you have no idea how the choices you make, on a societal scale, aka. the policies you support, will turn out. The reason we, as a society, keeps making these massive, retarded mistakes that anyone with half a grasp of world history sees coming from miles away, is because the electorate is wildly uninformed of the consequences of their choices, so we suffer the same crap over and over again. The same type of stuff, anyway. How does the saying go? "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes"?

    Although I do agree that history is often taught in a mindless fashion that focuses on memorizing trivial details rather than understanding the flow of events. I know a lot of people will say that the details are important, and I guess they are, but that is the sort of stuff that you can use wikipedia for if you know what to look for. But if you don't know what to look for, or to look at all, that's a bigger problem than if you're missing some specific details, if you ask me.
    I don't know too much about politicians so I don't really judge too much. Maybe if we could learn something about politcs in school, but noooo, screw politics and add spanish, gg sweden high school education...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommypilgrim View Post
    Rather than removing advanced subjects from school we should simply remove stupid people. I completely agree with the OP that the morons are never going to need to know advanced mathematics, we should simply send them off to a glorified crèche where they learn how to cook and whatnot. Then the intelligent ones amongst us can continue our education without mouth-breathers clogging up the system. It's win-win.
    Yeah, please be more disrespectful to those who are not interested in science, and prefer labor work instead. I'll remind them of your words the next time you seek the service of a blue collar worker.

    Instead of casting off and stigmatizing those who do weak in school, we should do something about it and give everyone the best education they need to succeed in their field of interest.

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    Get rid of 'Mickey Mouse subjects' (as my dad called them) such as Home Economics, Sociology. Citizenship, Textiles (fucking textiles, they actually offered that at my high school), drama, religious studies and art.

  10. #470
    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    Or, you know, you could question the methods we use today, and improve them?

    Life is about progress, not about sucking everything up and doing nothing about it.
    You have to have the knowledge necessary before you question a system. You would have disastrous consequences otherwise.

  11. #471
    Most of what you learn in school is a waste. You don't need calculus, literature, most of anything else in day to day life. The guy who builds your roads, homes, hospitals, etc doesn't need this knowledge. If he knows it, it's trivia.

    But then you end up doing what China is effectively doing, which is using a shoddy test to determine what a kid is best at...when he's pre-pubescent and doesn't even know what he's best at himself. You close doors.

    School sucks, is mostly a waste but I don't know, for a lot of parents, it's just daycare anyway. It's social education as well. Not sure what else you can do.

  12. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    Teachers are a very important part, if not THE MOST important part about how well someone accepts a subject. If the teacher is able to make it fun and interesting, you immediately gain more interest in the subject itself.
    Exactly! I can see history being fun if the teacher was focusing on things that we needed to know. For an example in english we had a terrible teacher the entire year, so my grade was low. She got fired a few weeks back, we got a new one, and woop, A+ easy. Everything is easy in high school tbh. It's just that a lot of it is boring to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
    If you want to be the best of the best in the gardening field, you're going to need creativity, maths, and chemistry. Especially Chemistry.

    Unless you want to be a standard issue gardener who trims hedges and mows lawns once a week.

    It's about learning how to apply the knowledge. If you can't do that, it represents a failing in the education system, not the subject.
    I know basic math - I don't need anything else. As I said (if you read my post) I'm not interested in making huge parks and calculate the area and how many plants I need, even if I do that I would still just be using the basic math to do so. And there's nothing wrong with being a "standard issue" gardner either fyi.

    No, it's not about learning how to apply knowledge, especially if you have no interest in the subject of matter. It's about learning more about the things you're interested in. If you read my earlier posts (which I'm now starting to doubt that you did..), you would have seen that I talked about introduction courses to all the subjects á 4 weeks pr. subject on different levels. That way you can see if you're interested in having the subjects on a more advanced level or not - if you don't then you can pick something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    You have to have the knowledge necessary before you question a system. You would have disastrous consequences otherwise.
    I can't follow you right now. Are you saying that you need knowledge about vector calculation before you can question the system of your education?

  15. #475
    Quote Originally Posted by Not Helping View Post
    History as a whole should be removed.
    "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."

  16. #476
    Quote Originally Posted by FpicEail View Post
    "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
    Overused quote tbh. The history you need to learn is from other subjects. Lets say that ur in some buisness managment class or whatever. The teacher will probably show examples of structures in older and current companies. That's kinda history I suppose. It might be good to know how companies involved into whatever they are now. But the actual subject history is all about conflicts and war. My intention is not to repeat that, even if I don't really know about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucati View Post
    No there's not really any "useless" classes, aside from maybe history because really who cares what happened in the past we can't really fix it. There's almost no way to judge what's useless and what isn't useless.
    You learn history to see how this came to be how they are now and to get a feel for how they will develop. For example, current events make learning about the Korean War rather important.

    A better way of saying it is that history gives us perspective.
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  18. #478
    I'd find someone that never uses advanced math or basic chemistry to be a pretty uninteresting person. Even if you never use it for your career, at some point, something's going to come up in conversation where it's handy to know some chemistry, or you'll read something where you'll be glad to know some basic statistics, and so on and so forth. I guess some people are so deliberately ignorant that they don't feel like they ever need to know anything, but I have no desire to be around those people.

  19. #479
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'd find someone that never uses advanced math or basic chemistry to be a pretty uninteresting person. Even if you never use it for your career, at some point, something's going to come up in conversation where it's handy to know some chemistry, or you'll read something where you'll be glad to know some basic statistics, and so on and so forth. I guess some people are so deliberately ignorant that they don't feel like they ever need to know anything, but I have no desire to be around those people.
    I know basic chemistry! Mostly the dangerous stuff I learned when I was 14 and discovered the anarchist cookbook... also from working at an explosives plant. Also from thinking ammonia and bleach would clean my bathroom twice as awesome as either would by themselves. I couldn't brain good for like an hour after that incident.

    And also I'm kinda sad that no one noticed my absolutely horrible science puns in my last post.
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    first of all teaching people only what they need in order to do their job is a recipe for making idiots in mass scale

    secondly how exactly do you brand a subject useless? if chemistry is useless than anything that has to do with wow is beyond useless for instance
    you read MMO forums you play wow and you find chemistry useless? do you even realise how much of the comforts you have are only there because of chemistry? your keyboard is plastic isn't it?
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