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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Holo View Post
    What is not fine is having simple dots take more than 100k of your health and fear still going strong.
    Fear should break on about 60k damage, and if current live dots reach that so fast all the time.. Guess what needs to be nerfed?
    And if you nerf that, guess what needs to be buffed? Dots provide a stable pressure, if you take away dot damage you have to put more damage into the instant-damagespells, and that will result in more burst, is that what you want?

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    I've actually been taken 80% to dead after leaving an arena versus a lock before.. In 10 seconds and solely from dots. That's dumb.
    Fairly sure that if you leave the arena early your resil doesnt work on dots, resulting in 65% more damage, but i might be mistaken. The same has happened to me from DK diseases, and that seems way more silly to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiep View Post

    Fairly sure that if you leave the arena early your resil doesnt work on dots, resulting in 65% more damage, but i might be mistaken. The same has happened to me from DK diseases, and that seems way more silly to me.
    Ah that would explain it, if Resil wasn't being factored in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holo View Post
    I've actually been taken 80% to dead after leaving an arena versus a lock before.. In 10 seconds and solely from dots. That's dumb.
    That has nothing to do with fear, it's a pretty known bug that dots ignore resilience once you leave arena. In arena, an affliction warlock's dots only hit for 2.5k-4k. On good days I can see 5k ticks with Haunt and CoE up but that's about it.

    With only UA, Corruption and Agony, with only a 60k threshold, you'll be sitting the full fear unless some crazy amount of crits happen, because that's how little damage they actually do.

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    No I was not around in vanilla ;p i'm a half way thru TBC baby .. Cc does need some attention though.. I have no idea how to fix it so i'm just guessing hehe.

    btw DKs can has a fear, dark sim I think is it?

  5. #145
    My DK has been hit for 300k damage(certainly more than 25% of my health) and STILL remained feared for the full duration...and other times, I've had it break after taking ONE 3k dot tick. Fix the BUGGINESS of Fear and it's fine.

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    Our dots with full cds and Haunt running don't deal enough damage to outdamage Second Wind. So whatever damage they do Yvaelle, it's insufficient and kinda sad to complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormcall View Post
    My DK has been hit for 300k damage(certainly more than 25% of my health) and STILL remained feared for the full duration...and other times, I've had it break after taking ONE 3k dot tick. Fix the BUGGINESS of Fear and it's fine.
    Probably a Horror effect, not a fear. If not it's hopefully an isolated incidence rooted in a bug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    I'll say it again since it's clearing going whooosh.

    FEAR IS NOT BREAKING ON DAMAGE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF TIME. THERE'S NO REASON FOR THIS. IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE EXPANSION. IT IS STILL HAPPENING NOW. AND IT IS STILL HAPPENING IN 5.3 PTR.

    Fear, for all intents and purposes, is a stun currently. Except spammable and lasting twice as long as most stuns.
    It's "going whoosh" because it's been addressed already. Yvaelle made a very nice post on the previous page about it. It's funny that you seem to be complaining that nobody is listening to you, but haven't managed to catch any of the prolific discussion about this point.

    Playing my warlock earlier today before I had to leave for work, though I didn't have a chance to test in PvP, I was playing around with the order that I cast spells in to see how I could maximise Fear uptime. Every time that I cast Fear first, followed by Immolate, it broke instantly. Every single time, this happened. I realise this is anecdotal, but so is everything in this thread.

    To really go into "Fear breaking on damage" in any real depth, and in a way that wasn't complete speculation but rather backed up by logs and numbers, we would need to see what circumstances each alleged case of failure to break on damage adhered to. I don't think there'd be any point to it, though, in my opinion it's just something to deal with when playing an online game that requires communication with a server and a level of latency that makes exact, synchronised timing difficult or impossible. The only likely thing Blizzard would consider changing is the pathing issue.

    On the latency issue, plenty of times have I seen an enemy's health dip below 20%, in PvE and PvP, and just waited for my Shadowburn button to start sparkling. Usually, however, Shadowburn won't be available until less than a second before the enemy actually dies to something else, or they're healed above it. I don't pitch a fit at people for "stealing my Embers" or complain about how Shadowburn is a broken mechanic, though. Short of raising the threshold, there's nothing they can really do about it, and if they did raise it there'd still be people complaining that it doesn't activate quickly enough. These are just realities of playing an MMORPG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Filth the Warlock View Post
    Just have your healer dispel it. Or tremor it. Or interrupt it. Or Zerker Rage it. Or Lichborne it. Pretty much everything counters fear... So I'm guessing you already "fixed" your issues with it.

    It's the stuns and interrupts that need fixing, not the regular CC.
    Oh yeah, fear that doesnt break on damage is completely fine keep on walking guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inahu View Post
    On the latency issue, plenty of times have I seen an enemy's health dip below 20%, in PvE and PvP, and just waited for my Shadowburn button to start sparkling. Usually, however, Shadowburn won't be available until less than a second before the enemy actually dies to something else, or they're healed above it. I don't pitch a fit at people for "stealing my Embers" or complain about how Shadowburn is a broken mechanic, though. Short of raising the threshold, there's nothing they can really do about it, and if they did raise it there'd still be people complaining that it doesn't activate quickly enough. These are just realities of playing an MMORPG.
    The same happens to Execute and Shadow Word: Death, and presumably Kill Shot. But, there is something very different going on this expansion with it all - in the past I feel like it would refresh much faster - where as now things die over the course of seconds with execute-effects even lighting up. For add fights I sometimes take the Shadow Word: Death glyph in PvE just so that I can actually use my execute before the thing is dead - since it's so critical to Shadow's resource generation.
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  10. #150
    The problem is that when fear doesn't break on damage like it should (which DOES happen and more often than you'd think), it is flat out game breaking. I would say that's 99% of the source of QQ we've been hearing this expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    The problem is that when fear doesn't break on damage like it should (which DOES happen and more often than you'd think), it is flat out game breaking. I would say that's 99% of the source of QQ we've been hearing this expansion.
    99% of ALL QQ this expansion is Fear? O.O No.

    I personally account for more than 1% of all QQ this expansion And fear is only like...5-10% of what's QQ-worthy so far in MoP. In 5.0 the Warrior / KFC QQ was so loud that nobody could even hear the QQ about spriests and mages - and even the rogues couldn't cry loud enough to get heard in 5.0. In 5.1, Shatreeplay (God Comp) was a colossal amount of the QQ. In 5.2 it's Thugcleave - between those three teams in those patches alone we can account for like... 80% of all MoP PvP QQ. Then we have to fit in Gorefiend->Solar->Ursol QQ, general Mage QQ, DK QQ, and Fear QQ into that last ~20%.

    Something's obviously not right with fear sometimes, but it's a footnote in how dissapointing and frustrating MoP arenas/rbgs has been.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    99% of ALL QQ this expansion is Fear? O.O No.
    I meant that 99% of all QQ ABOUT fear is based on it not breaking on an absurd amount of damage.
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    Would rather see fear more powerful, longer cd and removed horrify effects.

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    How I think fears should work:

    Warrior:
    -Intimidating Shout: Breaks instantly upon single target damage, breaks after 2% health is inflicted by AoE/dots (thunder clap/deep wounds)

    Priest:
    -Psychic Scream: Breaks after 25% health is lost
    -Psyfiend: Breaks after 10% health is lost
    -Shadow fear upon dispel: Never breaks
    -Psychic Horror: Breaks after 15% health is lost

    Warlock:
    -Fear: Breaks after 15% health is lost
    -Blood Fear: Breaks after 25% health is lost
    -Mortal Coil: Never breaks

    One way or the other, fears need to be overhauled. Not nerfed or buffed, just made easier to understand and work around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    The problem is that when fear doesn't break on damage like it should (which DOES happen and more often than you'd think), it is flat out game breaking. I would say that's 99% of the source of QQ we've been hearing this expansion.
    Oh, come off it. You obviously saw the phrase "game breaking" when it was used properly and decided it fits your complaint, but it's nowhere near accurate. I think Yvaelle's right, that there's something buggy with all effects that are supposed to activate/break at a certain point in MoP, and I have a few ideas on what might cause Fear to break far too late or not at all, but it's hard for me to explain them coherently. If there weren't other methods to break Fear (I understand that some of these may be situationally unavailable or undesirable to use), and if this were proven to be happening almost all the time (something like upwards of 75% of the time), I could see calling it "game breaking". But the truth is, we don't know how often it's occurring, because a lot of people aren't reporting when it happens to them, and next to nobody reports when it breaks on damage.

    It's enough to say that, along with other effects that may be affected by server latency, Fear may be experiencing problems right now. If the alternative is removing all Fear effects because they're "broken", the solution is worse than the problem and I'm afraid it's something we're just going to have to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinlax21 View Post
    How I think fears should work:

    Warrior:
    -Intimidating Shout: Breaks instantly upon single target damage, breaks after 2% health is inflicted by AoE/dots (thunder clap/deep wounds)

    Priest:
    -Psychic Scream: Breaks after 25% health is lost
    -Psyfiend: Breaks after 10% health is lost
    -Shadow fear upon dispel: Never breaks
    -Psychic Horror: Breaks after 15% health is lost

    Warlock:
    -Fear: Breaks after 15% health is lost
    -Blood Fear: Breaks after 25% health is lost
    -Mortal Coil: Never breaks

    One way or the other, fears need to be overhauled. Not nerfed or buffed, just made easier to understand and work around.
    Quick question: Why should an AoE fear effect with no cast time require more % to break than a single-target effect with a cast time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinlax21 View Post
    How I think fears should work:

    Warrior:
    -Intimidating Shout: Breaks instantly upon single target damage, breaks after 2% health is inflicted by AoE/dots (thunder clap/deep wounds)

    Priest:
    -Psychic Scream: Breaks after 25% health is lost
    -Psyfiend: Breaks after 10% health is lost
    -Shadow fear upon dispel: Never breaks
    -Psychic Horror: Breaks after 15% health is lost

    Warlock:
    -Fear: Breaks after 15% health is lost
    -Blood Fear: Breaks after 25% health is lost
    -Mortal Coil: Never breaks

    One way or the other, fears need to be overhauled. Not nerfed or buffed, just made easier to understand and work around.
    Mortal Coil, Psychic Horror, Sin and Punishment are horrors, not fears.
    Blood fear is now Blood Horror, which is again, not a fear. Horror effects don't break on damage.

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  18. #158
    Fear needs to break on damage more.

    There should never been a time where you can go from 100% - 40% in one fear without it breaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    If all CC wiped dots, and no CC broke on damage - DoT classes would be at a game-breaking disadvantage. A rogue (most non-feral melee, really) could empty their entire energy bar / good attacks into someone, then CC them and wait for their energy / good attacks to come off cooldown - then repeat. A frost mage would burst you, then CC you, wait for frost bomb to come back - then repeat.
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    Fear needs to break on damage more.

    There should never been a time where you can go from 100% - 40% in one fear without it breaking.
    There shouldnt be ANY cc at all keeping you controlled long enough to empty your entire HP-bar or close to that.

    Yeah, Im looking at you stuns and silences.

    Ive been playing since TBC and fear is not even close to being the worst CC in this category.
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