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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunareste View Post
    Sorry, I don't have sympathy for you; deal with the consequences of rule-breaking.
    Read my above post.
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    Blizzard already has short-term bans for minor offenses. The people who get permanently banned are mostly repeat offenders or those who make decisions do things that don't deserve to be pardoned.

    If a player does something bad enough to get perma-banned, I don't think they should get that account back. It's not like they did whatever they were doing accidentally.

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    using a mac means you deserved it

    Infracted. No brand bashing here
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    Read my above post.
    I did read your post. But whatever you did to get banned in the first place is malicious enough to have you stay banned, imo. Either way, done posting in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    Read my above post.
    Everyone is reading your posts. While I sympathize, one case of unfortunate events is not reason to allow for the shitstorm that would occur if people who ACTUALLY cheated were able to return. Creating an entire set of rules just for those people in a system that is only being made to fix an issue for a few dozen, which would also allow for so much bad to return to the game, does not sound like something that should ever be done.

    TL;DR: Unfortunate, man up and get over it.

    EDIT:: And this is coming from someone who has an old banned account under a false name that got hacked and banned. I'd love to have my first level 70 back from BC, but it's my own damn fault for making it with a false name, however harmless it was at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    Plain and simple, should Blizzard implement some form of account amnesty for banned accounts?

    Obviously, if they did, there ought to be certain criteria.

    -Have a different, active account with no offenses for 6+ months (prevents simply 'unbanning' an account. Person needs proof they are an active and responsible member of WoW community)
    -Must purchase up to current updates on old account, or 1-2 months gameplay (a 'Fine' effectively)

    Sometimes people do stupid stuff. It happens. In the real world, we have a legal system that allows people to own up and make reparations.

    EDIT: Heck, monetize it further. Instead of "Recruit a Friend"... Get a friend to play wow for 2-3+ months, and get an old account opened.
    Accounts are banned for a reason, and its not minor infractions that gets folks banned... Thus, if you are banned, its probably well deserved.. and besides... they have account amnesty, Look at what Swifty and crew did with the intentional crashing of zones, they got unbanned...

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    No and while at it move to a system where accounts can get closed easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunareste View Post
    But whatever you did to get banned in the first place is malicious enough to have you stay banned, imo.
    My bad, I thought people were smarter than that. Wine is just a windows emulator for unix, which I was using at the time. Super malicious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    one case of unfortunate events is not reason to allow for the shitstorm that would occur if people who ACTUALLY cheated were able to return. Creating an entire set of rules just for those people in a system that is only being made to fix an issue for a few dozen, which would also allow for so much bad to return to the game
    That's the thing though. If such a system were implemented... Those people are ALREADY playing the game. It wouldnt allow anyone new to return. Maybe I didn't make it clear.

    People who had previously been banned, would need to have an active, paid separate account for a period of time (6-12 months? 24?) to even be considered. They are already playing the game currently, and have been. This is not something to let banned players 'back into the game'
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    I vote no on account amnesty. Let them stay banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    My bad, I thought people were smarter than that. Wine is just a windows emulator for unix, which I was using at the time. Super malicious.
    How many of those are there in comparison to the amount of accounts that are banned for absolutely legitimate reasons ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    Those people are ALREADY playing the game. It wouldnt allow anyone new to return. Maybe I didn't make it clear.

    People who had previously been banned, would need to have an active, paid separate account for a period of time (6-12 months? 24?) to even be considered. They are already playing the game currently, and have been. This is not something to let banned players 'back into the game'
    But the CHARACTERS that cheated are NOT currently in the game. Again, you'd need an entire set of rules specific for those characters to make this system even partially worth the development time, and with so many rules and exceptions, who's to say it won't end up exactly like it already is? Who decides what's 'too bad' to have it restored? Who draws the line? Because clearly you're not happy with Blizzard drawing the line, since they already DO allow you to appeal bans for potential amnesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoranzone View Post
    How many of those are there in comparison to the amount of accounts that are banned for absolutely legitimate reasons ?
    It's really not about 'legitimate' or not. I do agree if something is 'bad' enough, it could remain permanent (as the system currently is). But There are plenty of instances where people are banned for much more meager things. Language, griefing, or even mistakes on blizzards part. Obviously, if that was the issue, and the people have played without that issue for a long period of time, the problem has been rectified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    Language, griefing,
    totally fine to get perma banned for those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Who decides what's 'too bad' to have it restored? Who draws the line?
    Blizzard certainly would have the final say. Again, I imagine if any sort of thing would be considered, then it would be very strictly, and concisely spelled out.
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    I'd like to see what would happen if blizzard implemented this type of program. No better way to find out than to test it out! Slowly, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    Blizzard certainly would have the final say. Again, I imagine if any sort of thing would be considered, then it would be very strictly, and concisely spelled out.
    You mean like it is currently? Blizzard allows people to appeal bans. They decide what's worthy of banning or not, and an appeal is the chance to fix it. They review and decide if it is worth staying perma-banned. Sounds exactly like what you're suggesting right now, and it's already in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    You mean like it is currently? Blizzard allows people to appeal bans.
    There's a difference, I feel, between "appealing" which is usually pointing out that Blizzard made a mistake, or something out of your control (i.e. someone at the house was using your account), vs "Paying your dues". More of a method to prove that you've done your part to ensure it won't happen again, and are willing to make reparations.
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    While your premise is reasonable on its face, if I was in Blizzard's shoes I'd never do it - they gain nothing from it, and they lose big time in terms of employee time spent investigating your claim to have gone clean in the interim.

    WINE users were banned because WINE blocks Warden, which is against the TOS. I understand you didn't actually cheat, but it's not like Blizzard made a mistake - if you block Warden, you get banned. It's pretty clearly spelled out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herrenos View Post
    they gain nothing from it, and they lose big time in terms of employee time spent investigating your claim to have gone clean in the interim.
    That is the reason for having to make purchases, or game time/recruiting. Anything can be monetized properly.

    WINE users were banned because WINE blocks Warden, which is against the TOS. I understand you didn't actually cheat, but it's not like Blizzard made a mistake - if you block Warden, you get banned. It's pretty clearly spelled out.
    Clearly spelled out? Show me in the ToS where Warden is mentioned? Most players aren't even supposed to know about Warden, let alone know what may or may not affect it. I certainly didn't, not until I did research after Blizzard banned thousands of people. But that's neither here, nor there. That's just a select few cases of Blizzard being herp derp.
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    i vote no personally

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