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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    My bad, I thought people were smarter than that. Wine is just a windows emulator for unix, which I was using at the time. Super malicious.


    That's the thing though. If such a system were implemented... Those people are ALREADY playing the game. It wouldnt allow anyone new to return. Maybe I didn't make it clear.

    People who had previously been banned, would need to have an active, paid separate account for a period of time (6-12 months? 24?) to even be considered. They are already playing the game currently, and have been. This is not something to let banned players 'back into the game'
    So now you are insulting people who disagree with you instead of accusing them of not reading your posts? Mods I think it is time to lock this one up.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    If they feel compelled to do it again, they will regardless of resurrecting an old account or not.
    But they are more likely to do it if they know they can get the banned account back anytime they want just by having a clean account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Togarox View Post
    But they are more likely to do it if they know they can get the banned account back anytime they want just by having a clean account.
    I wouldn't exactly call waiting a year 'getting an account back any time'

    And, obviously, I imagine the amnesty system could only be used once per battle.net account.
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    I actually know several people who used wowglider, and they were definitely permabanned the first time.
    And I know of enough people using fishing bots, hb and what not who didn't. Doesn't matter anyways as neither of them deserve to get anything back.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    There's a difference, I feel, between "appealing" which is usually pointing out that Blizzard made a mistake, or something out of your control (i.e. someone at the house was using your account), vs "Paying your dues". More of a method to prove that you've done your part to ensure it won't happen again, and are willing to make reparations.
    Just so you are aware the excuse of "someone else was using my account" isn't grounds for unbanning a player. In fact Blizzard has a history of saying "too bad" in these cases. It is only in extremely rare cases where this might get a ban overturned but for the most part if you allow your account to be accessed by others whether on purpose or whatever Blizzard still considers it a Tos violation just the same. OP it looks like most of your opinions on this issue are based on a lot of ignorance and false information so you may want to spend a little time in the customer support forums.

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    I see no need to change the ban rules - they should remain KISS.

    Just my personal opinion.

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    everyone giving a flat out no are the people who believe every single person found guilty in a court of law actually committed the crime.

    everyone makes mistakes, including the justice disher-outers, detectives, investigators, etc. it is part of being human.
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  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    I wouldn't exactly call waiting a year 'getting an account back any time'

    And, obviously, I imagine the amnesty system could only be used once per battle.net account.
    From the way you keep harping on others who disagree with you, it seems you must have had an account perma-banned. Well, that is the penalty for not following the rules. You lost the account, why should they give it back to you at a later date? It wasn't their fault you could not follow the simple rules they laid out in the ToU and EULA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatspriest View Post
    From the way you keep harping on others who disagree with you, it seems you must have had an account perma-banned. Well, that is the penalty for not following the rules. You lost the account, why should they give it back to you at a later date? It wasn't their fault you could not follow the simple rules they laid out in the ToU and EULA.
    I do have an account that was banned. And it's detailed earlier in the thread. It's honestly debatable if -I- broke any rules, however this discussion isn't about me, or my situation.

    They wouldn't be 'giving' the account back. Paying restitution and proving to be a proper member of the community however, yes.
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  10. #110
    As much as I'd love my t3, Atiesh, ZG mounts and Gladiator BC mounts back...I feel as if some people really deserve what happens to them. Not getting into why I was banned but I know some people deserve punishments and won't learn if they can get it back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    it looks like most of your opinions on this issue are based on a lot of ignorance and false information.
    What false information, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    It has my first characters, and some items that no longer exist anymore, mainly.
    Given the conditions you supplied I suppose it would be OK for a second chance. Mess that up though and it's done forever.
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  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by catbeef View Post
    everyone giving a flat out no are the people who believe every single person found guilty in a court of law actually committed the crime.

    everyone makes mistakes, including the justice disher-outers, detectives, investigators, etc. it is part of being human.
    See and everyone is allowed to make mistakes. How often I have been calling out people for what they are and received warnings and I am still not permabanned. I was in one of those guilds that exploited on a Bossencounter. No perma ban.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    I wouldn't exactly call waiting a year 'getting an account back any time'

    And, obviously, I imagine the amnesty system could only be used once per battle.net account.
    Ok, I see where you are getting at though I still think the criteria could be more harsh.

  15. #115
    What would Blizzard gain from doing that ? I see only drawbacks from their perspective:
    -that would be a clear message to all kind of offenders that perma ban is a joke
    -that would put extra work on their hands
    -for no profit for them, you're still paying anyway
    -legit players would be pissed, game is infested with botters, dupers etc, and they're allowing old ones that got cough to come back ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catbeef View Post
    everyone giving a flat out no are the people who believe every single person found guilty in a court of law actually committed the crime.

    everyone makes mistakes, including the justice disher-outers, detectives, investigators, etc. it is part of being human.
    I guess you missed the part where I have said I had an account banned... and I say NO, Hell NO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazus View Post
    I do have an account that was banned. And it's detailed earlier in the thread. It's honestly debatable if -I- broke any rules, however this discussion isn't about me, or my situation.

    They wouldn't be 'giving' the account back. Paying restitution and proving to be a proper member of the community however, yes.
    Whats debateable about your situation... you used an emulator that blocked out Warden... True or False?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Given the conditions you supplied I suppose it would be OK for a second chance. Mess that up though and it's done forever.
    Whats wrong with using the appeal process that already exists? Certainly if he's been an upstanding member as he claims and the infraction isn't really worthy of a perma-ban wont they lift it? Why open pandora's box with the method he's advocating?

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  17. #117
    arent u given 2-3 chances b4 being permanetly banned???? - just saying if u do break the rules, are found out your given plenty of chances to mend your wys, if u decide to continue to break the rules then a ban is the final option which is your fault in the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Togarox View Post
    Ok, I see where you are getting at though I still think the criteria could be more harsh.
    The criteria could certainly be more harsh. I was simply making suggestions.
    -3 year no infractions
    -$50 fee + Update to newest expansions + at least 1-2 months game time
    -All gold/boes stripped from old account
    -Possibly prevention of AH/Trade use for 3 months on old account (sort of like a starter/free account)

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-01 at 12:26 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Sznur View Post
    -that would be a clear message to all kind of offenders that perma ban is a joke
    A legitimate concern.
    -that would put extra work on their hands
    -for no profit for them, you're still paying anyway
    There would definitely need to be monetary compensation, enough to offset both the work involved on blizzard's end, + profit

    -legit players would be pissed, game is infested with botters, dupers etc, and they're allowing old ones that got cough to come back ?
    No. This is already addressed. Anyone previously banned would need an already active, clean account. If they were going to bot/dupe again, they would have already done it without reactivating the old account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btf View Post
    arent u given 2-3 chances b4 being permanetly banned????
    Sometimes, but sometimes not. Statistics wise, more people are permabanned up front (usually for botting/duping) than warned. Warning is usually reserved for griefing/language problems.
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  19. #119
    First, I have had an account banned. Back in Wrath. It had all the collectors editions on it up to that point. I did something stupid and boom gone. Would I like that account back? Of course. Does it deserve to stay permabanned. Yes. In fact, it actually says that if you are permabanned you are supposed to uninstall and not create a new account. I really don't think any kind of amnesty or any other kind of system to potentially allow these accounts back would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catbeef View Post
    everyone giving a flat out no are the people who believe every single person found guilty in a court of law actually committed the crime.

    everyone makes mistakes, including the justice disher-outers, detectives, investigators, etc. it is part of being human.
    We're NOT talking about justice murder (wrongful conviction) here.. We're talking about "people who have broken the rules and received a punishment"..

    Justice Murder does happen, and they will receive a pardon, if evidence proves it.
    But people serving a life sentense (or wow perma ban) should NEVER enjoy sunlight again...

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