You dont think botters and the gold sellers have more than one account?
You aren't confused, you are intentionally ignoring the risk to advocate for your position. How are you planning on dealing with the public reaction over the real or perceived act of letting cheaters, botters, and gold sellers back into the game which is already infested with them?
You claim its about money. So tell me how this is more financially advantagous that what currently exists? I really dont see an upside for Blizzard on this... Bad PR from the perception of letting the cheaters buy their old accounts back.. Increased animosity from the playerbase that DID follow the rules toward the cheaters AND Blizzard. Who knows how many folks just say 'fuck it, Blizzard let the cheaters and crap back in, why am I here again' and leave... not to mention the negative word of mouth from those that DO leave over this... Do you really and truly think that Blizzard can make money out of this rule change? If so, explain it for me in more detail than 'they'll make money'... as I see it they'll lose far more money in addition to all the negative press.
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You do shit, they take your shit away, this is a punishment. They take the stuff away you had for years, out of your reach.
I does not matter if you behave like a good boy for the next months or years, the punishment should go on.
You should never be able to play your main again, thats what happens if you break the rules.
I guess I should have been clearer, and I apologize for that.
Both the banned, and active wow license would need to be on the same battle.net account. If any account has received an infraction in the past year (or whatever time), then it would not be eligible. This would completely eliminate any 'other accounts' involved.
Simple. Post the rules. Anyone can read the rules, and would understand that if there was a botter getting an old account back, then that botter has been playing legitimately for over a year anyway. No 'new' cheaters are being let back in.How are you planning on dealing with the public reaction over the real or perceived act of letting cheaters, botters, and gold sellers back into the game which is already infested with them?
EDIT: Lets take the example I posted earlier. Lets say I botted and got my account banned. Since then, I played for 8 years without a fault. I'm already -in- the game. Getting my old account back doesn't change anything. I'm already there beforehand.
Current system: $15 a month from 1 accountSo tell me how this is more financially advantagous that what currently exists?
Amnesty system: $15 a month from 1 account, $15 a month from second account for at least 2 months (or possible a form of RaF), $10-70 to upgrade to current expansion, plus whatever fee they want to involve. Personally I feel that the sub + upgrade is fair enough. However I don't think that adding a $50-100 additional fee is entirely outrageous.
I don't think $500 is outrageous either, however I do feel that would be too much to incentivize it. If it's too much, people won't do it, and they get nothing.
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Still, NO. Then it would not really be punishment. Then, it would merely be money grabbing. The current system is not broken and if an account is permanently closed for rules violations, then the account deserves to remain permanently closed as a form of punishment. That is another way to teach younger people now that actions have consequences.
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I can see those who deliberately use hacks, cause public disturbances or what-not, but what about the many people who are wrongfully banned? I've never had my account banned but I've been banned from their forums before for simply disagreeing with somebody and not even speaking disrespectfully or using bad language. You get automated robot responses and even if you're able to prove your innocence, the infraction still stands and it creates stigma. You're now permanently branded a "troll" or whatever in their system when you're anything but. I would not be opposed to re-evaluating the discipline systems.
Also I happen to know quite a few people who play Wow under wine and they don't get banned so I'm not entirely buying the whole "banned for using open source" bs. The same thing happened in D3 a lot of people cried foul that they were banned because of wine and yet people who didnt break the rules who used wine to run D3 didn't get banned. As with most sob stories involving being banned from a Blizzard game most of it tends to be false information.
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Good god...really? Seriously? Why would a botter do something that allows them to continue to bot? Really? Are you fucking kidding me right now? Gold selling and botting is a multi BILLION dollar industry right now. People who steal accounts will take advantage of anything and everything they can to maximize profit including your ill conceived plan. Seriously shut up and go look at the official customer support forums.
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And most of those people would not go to get their old accounts back anyways since they are already playing and don't want to give that extra money to Blizzard. You need to think these things through before making a thread, and then bashing everyone who has an opposing viewpoint to yours.
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My friends account got perma-banned for basically screwing around in BG's in June 2010 when they introduced the 'report AFK' feature.
He was having internet problems and kept get disconnecting in BG's, and they deemed him to be 'duping' the system by only attacking someone every few minutes to remove the 60 seconds inactive debuff.
He got a 3 hour/24 hour / 72 hour ban in the space of 2 weeks, in some cases when he'd only play a single BG and everyone would and he'd get autobanned report him. Because at that time the report AFK system was new future, and everyone was using it on everyone who was even standing still...
He's appealed around 3 times, and he's never been given a proper reason to why he actually got perma-banned, around 90% of people in BGs just screw around nowadays or bot anyway and he actually never broke any rules.
The appeal system works perfectly fine in 99% of cases though, if you look on a certain botting forum, nearly everyone who gets banned for botting gets a 72 hour ban; then if they get perma-banned they nearly always successfully appeal it.
It takes quite a lot to get an account banned permanently.. There are usually different strikes with short term bans from a few hours to a few days before the ultimate ban hammer hits. So nope..... Perma ban should remain perma ban.
You willingly broke the rules, and did so severely.
There are cases where someone would argue "I did not know", but had you used common sense, you could have figured it out.
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Actually no. I'm risking a ban by saying this but I'm fed up with the misinformation: you are a fucking idiot and this entire thread is built around gathering support for allowing cheaters to be unbanned and you are trying to accomplish it by spreading misinformation. Look up the penalty volcano and just look at the customer support forums in general. Bans don't happen for no reason and upon appeals they get overturned if need be. I'm sorry you cheated I'm sorry you think you should be above the rules but no, you don't get a do over.
Mods I highly suggest you lock this thread because it is going nowhere good and it is only going to spread dissent which I think is the OP's main goal here.
It sucks for your friend, but it's his very own fault.
If you experience such technical problems then you can just stay away from it...
But actually, I don't buy the story.. Blizzard could simply look into the logs. Someone logging out (getting disconnected is about the same thing) is recorded in the logs, and they would see the pattern very easily.
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