Origin of the Titans, and why thy have not returned (theory)

[babo7000]

Reading Snowravens thread (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...+are+the+titan), and I really liked the idea of the Titans just being a really advanced race, and as I thought more about it, a lot of loose ends in lore seemed to come together. This is why here I am speculating on the Origins of the Titans, why Sargeras really fell, and why the Titans have 'fallen'


*Everything below is speculation, don't take it as fact*

The Titans were once a mortal race. However, they were more technologically advanced than any other race in the universe. They thus became the first race to perfect planetary travel. Like any mortal race, they were curious and went about discovering the universe. Before this, the Titans knew nothing of Magic.

Than they found it. A dimension in the universe where, for some unknown reason, both there machines and amazingly they themselves became stronger, faster, and all together better. They were perplexed over this, and began to study this source of power, naming it Arcane, and naming the dimension they found it as the Twisting Nether. So, they studied an manipulated Arcane, achieving great success as they did so. But as time went on, they realized something. Though there will power was enough not to succumb to the addictive properties of the Arcane, there fleshy, mortal bodies would eventually give out. So, the Titans made themselves into machines of pure, unimaginable power. Realizing the corrupting nature of the Arcane, they set out across the universe, to make sure no other race would be as corrupted as they almost became.

They made creations (ex. Doomguards), that would go around detecting Arcane magic, making sure it wasn't used, and if it was, it was only used in the smallest of capacities. Obviously, certain races like the Eredar would go undiscovered. They did not want the other mortal races to become corrupt, but they were too late. They came upon races like the Dreadlords, and realized that Arcane is so addictive and corrupting, that after it corrupts the hosts body, it corrupts itself. They named this corrupted magic Fel, and these corrupted mortals as Demons. Thus, they made an army that would go around the universe, led by Sargeras, imprisoning and destroying these Demons. The rest of the Titans went about there business of bringing order to the Universe.

They then came to Azeroth. The Titans wanted to test something out; Instead of blocking mortal races from Arcane magic, they wanted to see what would happen if instead, they had mortal races grow alongside Arcane. So they implemented the Well of Eternity, a lake connected directly to the Twisting Nether, bristling with power. There stone and mechanical races were purposefully designed to eventually become fleshy, and have the ability to reproduce. Afterwards, the Titans set off into the Great Dark, but left more fail safes in Azeroth than they had any other planet. But the Titans weren't able to study our progress, because they had fallen.

While they were bringing order to the universe, the most unimaginable thing possible happened. Sargeras, the one leading the charge in the Twisting Nether, became corrupted. The Titans had made themselves machines so there bodies couldn't fall to corruption, but Sargeras was a different story. He was exposed to Arcane and Fel for so long that it began to taint his mind. The Titans, despite seeing themselves as perfect, realized they could still fall victim to mental corruption. Sargeras' body warped and became similar to the demons that he faced. The Titans then remade the army Sargeras lead, putting Aggramar in charge, and changing their goal to that of stopping the Burning Legion.

But for the most part, the Pantheon has fallen silent. They are worried they may to eventually fall victim to the corruption, and have been very hesitant to face Sargeras for this very reason. This is why Azeroth is so important to them. If Azeroth succeeds, than the Titans no longer have to continue there work. Maybe they want the mortal races of Azeroth to replace them in their universal goal? I dunno, its all a mystery.

[Sierra85]

i think they are probably just busy in other dimensions. maybe they also created ours. if u make something do u sit around and look at it or do you go off galavanting the universe creating more. they wouldve moved on long ago.

[bohapjut]

the titans havent returned because theyve got their own problems theyre dealing with, algalon was going to hard reset in Ulduar

[Steelangel]

Great theory bro.

You forgot the old gods.

[babo7000]

i think they are probably just busy in other dimensions. maybe they also created ours. if u make something do u sit around and look at it or do you go off galavanting the universe creating more. they wouldve moved on long ago.

Azeroth has been attacked by the Legion thrice, and beaten them back every time. The fail safes the Titans put in failed, the Aspects powerless, and the Old Gods have been breaking free of their prisons.

The place is unique in the Universe. There has to be a reason other than, 'lolwere busy' as to why the Titans haven't returned in 17k years (at least)

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Great theory bro.

You forgot the old gods.

What about them though? There parasites. Given, we have this 'Black Empire' that was mentioned, but aside from that, we have zero idea as to the origins and reasons behind the Old Gods. Lmao, maybe for another thread.

[therealbowser]

I don't think the Titans created the Well of Eternity, that would be a pretty boring explanation for its existence. I'd rather think that its existence would be why the Old Gods were found there and were attracted to this planet specifically.

[Dragonix80]

Interesting theory. I still don't think the Titans were mortals once. They were gods from the very beginning.

Aside from the Titans, what about the Naaru? A being of pure light. Have they always existed at the beginning? They have spent their eternity fighting against the Burning Legion so... there's a lot of theories around here. What do they have do with the Titans? Did the Titans created them or have they always existed from the beginning?

So many theories, so little time!

[bohapjut]

The place is unique in the Universe. There has to be a reason other than, 'lolwere busy' as to why the Titans haven't returned in 17k years (at least)

There is, they're fighting a losing battle against Sargeras's legion.

What about them though? There parasites. Given, we have this 'Black Empire' that was mentioned, but aside from that, we have zero idea as to the origins and reasons behind the Old Gods. Lmao, maybe for another thread.

With all the Lovecraft influences in Warcraft, Azeroth sounds a lot like HP Lovecraft's Azathoth... coincidence?
"...the monstrous nuclear chaos beyond angled space which the Necronomicon had mercifully cloaked under the name of Azathoth."
"...the mindless entity Azathoth, which rules all time and space from a curiously environed black throne at the centre of Chaos."

[babo7000]

Interesting theory. I still don't think the Titans were mortals once. They were gods from the very beginning.

Aside from the Titans, what about the Naaru? A being of pure light. Have they always existed at the beginning? They have spent their eternity fighting against the Burning Legion so... there's a lot of theories around here. What do they have do with the Titans? Did the Titans created them or have they always existed from the beginning?

So many theories, so little time!

Naaru are interesting. They seem to be the inverse of the Old Gods, but are more interested in the Legion than anything else. Then you have that Harbringer in Arcatraz, who has no reason at all as to why he is there.

Than you have to wonder about their relationship with the Titans, if there is one. Bah, who knows.

THIS IS WHY WE NEED DRAENEI LORE

[Combatbutler]

I don't think the Titans created the Well of Eternity, that would be a pretty boring explanation for its existence. I'd rather think that its existence would be why the Old Gods were found there and were attracted to this planet specifically.

It is not up for debate, the Titans created the well of eternity, so that it would sustain the lush life they had created on Azeroth.

http://www.wowpedia.org/The_Old_Gods...ing_of_Azeroth

For many ages the Titans moved and shaped the earth, until at last there remained one perfect continent. At the continent's center, the Titans crafted a lake of scintillating energies. The lake, which they named the Well of Eternity, was to be the fount of life for the world. Its potent energies would nurture the bones of the world and empower life to take root in the land's rich soil.

[babo7000]

There is, they're fighting a losing battle against Sargeras's legion.



With all the Lovecraft influences in Warcraft, Azeroth sounds a lot like HP Lovecraft's Azathoth... coincidence?
"...the monstrous nuclear chaos beyond angled space which the Necronomicon had mercifully cloaked under the name of Azathoth."
"...the mindless entity Azathoth, which rules all time and space from a curiously environed black throne at the centre of Chaos."

Yea ive wondered about the Azathoth/Azeroth thing. It would be a cool idea if we live on a super Old God, and it could still fit in with this theory.

And last we knew (or at least I knew) Sargeras was still afraid to attack the Pantheon head on. Could be wrong though.

[Combatbutler]

There is, they're fighting a losing battle against Sargeras's legion.

I doubt it aside from Sargeras, who lost his original body as the well of eternity imploded, no demon in the burning legion is even remotely powerful enough to threaten the Titans.

[Sierra85]

Azeroth has been attacked by the Legion thrice, and beaten them back every time. The fail safes the Titans put in failed, the Aspects powerless, and the Old Gods have been breaking free of their prisons. The place is unique in the Universe. There has to be a reason other than, 'lolwere busy' as to why the Titans haven't returned in 17k years (at least)[COLOR="red"]

The Titans would've known the old gods couldn't be imprisoned forever. Us pushing the legion back and defending our world is like a coming of age story as we begin to forge our own path in the universe. A path that may very well lead back to the creators and aid them in their moment of need.

[therealbowser]

It is not up for debate, the Titans created the well of eternity, so that it would sustain the lush life they had created on Azeroth.

http://www.wowpedia.org/The_Old_Gods...ing_of_Azeroth

For many ages the Titans moved and shaped the earth, until at last there remained one perfect continent. At the continent's center, the Titans crafted a lake of scintillating energies. The lake, which they named the Well of Eternity, was to be the fount of life for the world. Its potent energies would nurture the bones of the world and empower life to take root in the land's rich soil.

True, but they couldn't have crafted something from nothing. They either gave of themselves to create this powerful well of eternity, or they drew the power from elsewhere.

[Combatbutler]

The Titans would've known the old gods couldn't be imprisoned forever. Us pushing the legion back and defending our world is like a coming of age story as we begin to forge our own path in the universe. A path that may very well lead back to the creators and aid them in their moment of need.

Or they underestimated the surviving old gods and overestimated their fail safes, they seem to be a rather busy bunch. Our path could also lead to a conflict with our creators, since Azeroth has strayed from its path, just as Algalon and Ra-den said, meaning the Titans could become our enemies in the future.

[babo7000]

The Titans would've known the old gods couldn't be imprisoned forever. Us pushing the legion back and defending our world is like a coming of age story as we begin to forge our own path in the universe. A path that may very well lead back to the creators and aid them in their moment of need.

Yes, they anticipated the Old Gods may break free, hence the fail safes.

But you can not deny they would not want to come back asap to Azeroth and see why we haven't been destroyed. It takes the Legions foot soldiers only hours to destroy a planet. And yet we have repelled there top 3 leaders, every time. This is not something the Titans would ignore. This is something that if they had the chance to, they would return and observe (like what Algalon is currently doing). But why haven't they? Well, thats in my theory.

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True, but they couldn't have crafted something from nothing. They either gave of themselves to create this powerful well of eternity, or they drew the power from elsewhere.

Which is why im saying the Well of Eternity may drain power from the Twisting Nether.

[Combatbutler]

True, but they couldn't have crafted something from nothing. They either gave of themselves to create this powerful well of eternity, or they drew the power from elsewhere.

The well draws its power from an external source, not from the titans themselves.

[khalltusk]

Yes, they anticipated the Old Gods may break free, hence the fail safes.

But you can not deny they would not want to come back asap to Azeroth and see why we haven't been destroyed. It takes the Legions foot soldiers only hours to destroy a planet. And yet we have repelled there top 3 leaders, every time. This is not something the Titans would ignore. This is something that if they had the chance to, they would return and observe (like what Algalon is currently doing). But why haven't they? Well, thats in my theory.

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Which is why im saying the Well of Eternity may drain power from the Twisting Nether.

Because the almighty powerful Metzh0n (the primal god!) has not deemed it is yet time for them to return.

As for a lore explanation, I think its due to them being busy or fighting something terrible. They simply sent Alagalon to check on the fail safe being compromised we return the OK signal so they have no reason to return.

Basically its like an alarm tripping it reports "URGH SHITS GOT REAL" Alagalon is the janitor they sent to check it and clean it up, he comes back with "seems ok was a false alarm".

[babo7000]

Because the almighty powerful Metzh0n (the primal god!) has not deemed it is yet time for them to return.

As for a lore explanation, I think its due to them being busy or fighting something terrible. They simply sent Alagalon to check on the fail safe being compromised we return the OK signal so they have no reason to return.

Basically its like an alarm tripping it reports "URGH SHITS GOT REAL" Alagalon is the janitor they sent to check it and clean it up, he comes back with "seems ok was a false alarm".

Algalon was an automated response to the death of the prime designate. The Titans themselves never sent him, he came on his own, and didn't even.return, he remained because Azeroth intrigued him.

[therealbowser]

The well draws its power from an external source, not from the titans themselves.

Then we are indirectly in agreement. I think the power of the Well of Eternity has something to do with Azeroth itself, especially considering that the core of the Well of Eternity now is the maelstrom and that could potentially hint that it's from deeper within the core of Azeroth.