Step 1, collect buffs
Step 2, Use everything and go bananas to boss (rinse and repeat every 2 mins)
Step 3, do decent DPS
Step 4, be satisfied with perfomance and dont make useless threads.
Let me start of by saying that I've been elemental since Kara back in TBC, Within top 50 during TBC, Wotlk, T11 of Cata, and now again, MoP, so I do have a clue on how elemental was doing trough all those years.
I honestly think that elemental has never performed as well it is now in Throne of Thunder, in 10 mans at least, can't comment on how Ele is doing in 25 mans since I haven't touched 25 mans since Cata. We just need couple of tweaks and we'll be just perfect.
We got hands down the strongest 4-5 target consistent aoe in the game, AMAZING utility (HR,glyphed HST, AG, Stormlash), our single target is fine, altho heavily rng oriented, it's fine in most cases, Only thing we're horrible at is constant switching and quickly nuking adds (Again, if rng is on our side it's fine, if not we're horrible at it).
This tier there is are 2 fights where elementals are weak, Primordius and Council. Apart from those 2 fights, we're doing really good.
There is 1 obvious thing A LOT of people apparently, don't understand, hybrids are NOT all about personal dps, hybrids are about utility, and utility is where elemental is amazing. Sure, on most fights, we are behind in pure damage done(Not by a lot tho), but we more then compensate for it with healing and additional raid dmg trough stormlash.
Also a thing to remember, logs are mostly unrealistic when comparing classes, for instance, you can see warlocks just dominating rankings on Magera and Animus, while tons of that damage done is padded trough dotting the "non-focus" head or massive golems, which results in amazing numbers, which are pointless since they add no ral benefit to the raid.
It's all about the numbers you're pulling during the progression, within your own raid, that's when numbers actually matter, and I must admit, I am really satisfied how my numbers were on pretty much every fight this tier.
Just did primordius tonight - helm dropped but not thunderforged fml.
As people have been saying in the thread its all about what role you choose to do - I chose to dps down the viscous horrors - practically soloing them with the tanks + boomkin dots.
This enabled the other classes eg. mage, warlock, boomkin to dot up the viscous and focus more on the boss. Didn't even bother to kill the living fluids with chain lightning since our destruction warlock was taking care of that with rain of fire + fire and brimstone.
Combined Primordius + Viscious horror damage
Fire Mage - 53.3 million + 1.3 million = 54.6 million
Destruction Warlock - 43.5 million + 6.2 million = 49.7 million
Boomkin - 32.1 million + 8.5 million = 40.6 million
Unholy Death Knight - 32.1 million + 2.9 million = 34.1 million
Elemental Shaman - 21.2 million + 20.1 million = 40.3 million
I will re-iterate what has already been said here, Primordius Heroic depends greatly on what your job is. I was assigned to small bloods for most of our kill and was beat everyone but our destro lock (ofc). This was our first kill and we got it after 5 attempts. I will say this, we never bench anyone, as we have only 10 people in our roster, although we will sub people in if connection issues arise for normal farm bosses. Cant post links but but we're PRAISE RALF THE DEER IS BACK on US-Norgannon.
elemental can do primordius now, i can easily pull 190k dps there on the boss, probably over 200k with good buffs instead of +5% stats. with the changes to lava burst hitting harder and not getting GCD capped, and lava surge being more powerful we're not so bad there.
Killed Heroic 10 last week. Had myself, a rogue & a moonkin focusing on boss DPS with 3 mutates, while a Lock/Spriest combo handled add duty. Worked quite well, although my mutate uptime was slightly lower than the other two.
Extra trick: use ascendance as soon as you're killing fluids for your first mutate if you have 4pc. It'll be back up before your mutate fades. Might also be better suited to UF rather than PE with the Fire Ele AI "issues" & constant movement.
I've found I can get two ascendance in during the first mutate, by popping as soon as your mutated it was coming back up with about 15 seconds left on mutation. The very end of my ascendance wasn't mutated but the majority 12+ seconds was.
I did this fight as Ele, and I took it to my job to make sure the big blog died, and as long as there were mobs near the big blob, I would CL off of him. As soon as the boss got low enough to where we never needed another mutation, we just switched onto the boss and killed him. Not a hard fight and I still pulled decent numbers. Not the best but still okay in terms of what we have for this fight.
And I don't know what you mean Ele is not competitive on single target fights. I am consistently in top 3 of the 5-6 dps we run in every fight. We are currently working on H Lei Shen, and in P1 I am consistently pulling 200k+ before the first transition.
This topic was started before our single target buffs when we did really suck.
11/13HM in 25 here.. multiple top 5 ranks (I'm a pad-a-tron). Yeah, you can "look" good on your meters a lot of ways.
CL on Primordius when your many, many locks and spriests and boomkin are either non existent or playing bad.
CL on Horridon for first door, partially second door, PEW PEW dat boss at 3+ door. If you see a bunch of adds all stacked and pretty with lots of HP? CL!
But seriously. This isn't about what your meters say on progression. It's about what you're doing that is actually useful. Our single target is nothing to scoff at, we just can't pad very well. TBH I find that the only fights we are weak on single target wise are Tortos and Council. I'm constantly in top 5 (managed to top on H Animus) for single target on the boss if that is the actual goal. Our other ele shaman is either right on my butt or better.
On H primordius especially, if the problem is boss dps then you have the tools to do boss dps. If the problem is add dps, you have the tools to do add dps. Just can't normally do both effectively.
This was our most recent H primordius... and my main focus was boss DPS, until I realized I was getting ridiculous amounts of Keen Eyes (crit buff) and did a bit of stacked add love, but my boss damage was very respectable.
Just gonna feedback that we killed him tonight for the first time so that was awesome Got a 50something rank in WOL.
The team played to my strengths and basically put me on Viscous and living fluids where Chain lightning could be used to greatest effect. Basically it hinged on me CL'ing the adds down (as well as DPSing the big add) down fast enough so my team members could get buffs ASAP. I did not even bother picking up buffs as I have 0 time on boss. Whole fight was just blowing up big add during ascendance phases, and using CL off it. Suggest you have 1-2 other DPS help you out a bit on the main add as Ele Single target isn't that great outside ascendance.
Also, Ancestral Guidance is fantastic for healing CDs cos with CL + AG = massive healing.
I used Eleblast as you still need some consistent DPS on the big add. Primal ele not so good.
Going for Ra-den Sunday, and since Ryuke and Eruptor used different builds for him, I've got some questions.
Eruptor (Mastery >/= Haste) and
Ryuke (Haste > Mastery)
Now I dont have such high ilvl (still at 525, yay drop fucking luck) and I'm not sure which build would be more viable for such a boss like Ra-den. Totemspot mentions 3 possible builds for 5.3, where the mastery one is considered the bursty one. I still have the (upgraded) DMF and Shado-pan VP trinket, no 600 ilvl cloak but 4pc and legendary meta gem.
What would you advice?
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