Palestine now recognised by greater power than US or Israel

[Flaks]

Israeli soldiers attack regular palestinians every single day, but they dont allow people to film it. They will take your camera and break it if they see it. So maybe you need to pull your head out of the sand.

And this is part of the problem. One side goes out of it's way to ignore/remain blind and deaf to the plight of the other side. Everytime that there have been "successful" peace talks Israel has continued making settlements killing innocent Palestinians and Palestine has continued intermittent firing of missiles killing innocent Israelis. Both sides make sure that peace isn't a possibility.

[Zhangfei]

And this is part of the problem. One side goes out of it's way to ignore/remain blind and deaf to the plight of the other side. Everytime that there have been "successful" peace talks Israel has continued making settlements killing innocent Palestinians and Palestine has continued intermittent firing of missiles killing innocent Israelis. Both sides make sure that peace isn't a possibility.

Considering that Israel has killed 45 times more people in the last few years and that every court has sided with Palestine, we all know who's in the wrong *cough* illegal occupiers *cough.*

It'd be like asking the Warsaw Ghetto survivors and the Nazis in the same room and pretending they're equal. One side has so clearly done more evil and been more vicious that it's a joke.

[voskopoula]

Your opinion is a product of tv. I live relatively near that area and i can tell you this, the Palestinians are the victims here. After the phrase i just wrote i wil ltell you that victims are in both sides from the extremists on both sides. However overall, the Palestinians are the victims.

[Elegiac]

Palestine was fairly friendly to Zionists. Once upon a time they were peaceful neighbours. Then the Israelis were given huge swathes of land that didn't belong to the Zionists and started a war with the natives. If Israel went back to the borders of 48 I think there'd be a real chance of peace.

Never going to happen. Nor should it: Israel's expansion is basically a fait accompli by this point. It would be about as productive as giving much of the US back to the surviving tribes.

[Deleted]

Never going to happen. Nor should it: Israel's expansion is basically a fait accompli by this point. It would be about as productive as giving much of the US back to the surviving tribes.

So, Holy War ad infinitum?

[Elegiac]

Your opinion is a product of tv. I live relatively near that area and i can tell you this, the Palestinians are the victims here. After the phrase i just wrote i wil ltell you that victims are in both sides from the extremists on both sides. However overall, the Palestinians are the victims.

No, they aren't. Both sides are at fault; the Palestinians are not "peace lovers". One of the reasons Jordan is relatively stable at present is because the Hashemites kicked the Palestinians out of the Transjordan.

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So, Holy War ad infinitum?

Either Israel will become tempered by some external factor, or the Palestinians will be crushed and acculturated. Sad truth, but the most likely outcome.

[Zhangfei]

Never going to happen. Nor should it: Israel's expansion is basically a fait accompli by this point. It would be about as productive as giving much of the US back to the surviving tribes.

It should, but it probably won't. You'd have to pull off an Israel to get Israel to do anything legal, meaningful, just or fair.

[Mavett]

Congratulations i guess.

No point even starting to discuss anything else as it will derail as usual and from the looks of it, already did.

[Elegiac]

It should, but it probably won't. You'd have to pull off an Israel to get Israel to do anything legal, meaningful, just or fair.

Legal? You know that international law is a bunch of garbage, yes?

Israel's position is understandable. Compare it to France after the Franco-Prussian War.

[jugzilla]

I figure it is because in the west,we live our lives in such relative safety and prosperity, we can enjoy some sort of vicarious sense of excitement rooting for the bad guy. I can think of no better reason it is so cool to hate on Israel on the interwebs.

[Hooked]

I figure it is because in the west,we live our lives in such relative safety and prosperity, we can enjoy some sort of vicarious sense of excitement rooting for the bad guy. I can think of no better reason it is so cool to hate on Israel on the interwebs.

I disagree, I used to be a firm supporter of israel because i was led to believe they were the victims. Only later did i realize this isnt the case. The israeli military will literally show up in a palestian farming village in the west bank and make the people leave that night, even if they have been there for 50 yrs. They come in firing, and they just dont give these people any hope. Now granted yeah the terrorist that strap bombs to themselves and blow up nightclubs are a huge security threat. I think to solve this Israel should back off to the 1948 borders, and just leave the palestinians there alone. But to give israel security they should boot out every single palestian living inside israels borders as well. Making a palestinian state also gives israel the ability to make palestine take responsibility for any incident that happens in the future. You cant declare war on people but you can declare war on another country. Good fences make good neighbors.

[jugzilla]

Well, I don't think the 48 borders, or expelling people is feasible, and we saw what the Arabs thought of those borders back in 48. And a lot of people only consider Israel the protagonist only when it's civilians are getting blown up on a daily basis. This is less about country and more about religion imo. That part of the word will always be infuriated when there is a infidel within range of their rockets.

[Starving Artist]

I will never get this ...documented history for thousands of years proves that Israel is the home and holy place of all Jews . They occupied the land thousands of years before Muslims took the land ...Palestine is not a place in the same sense that America is not a place it's stolen land ..in this case Israel would be the Indians who have won America back ...we none native Americans would be lucky if they gave us reservations to live on ( Palestine ) ...sorry just my opinion .

[Bakis]

I will never get this ...documented history for thousands of years proves that Israel is the home and holy place of all Jews . They occupied the land thousands of years before Muslims took the land ...Palestine is not a place in the same sense that America is not a place it's stolen land ..in this case Israel would be the Indians who have won America back ...we none native Americans would be lucky if they gave us reservations to live on ( Palestine ) ...sorry just my opinion .

Question is, how far do one need to go back. Also its not even the same people, google dna tests on the matter

My personal opinion, fxxk em both. Both people are lead by idiots who refuse to compromise to the extent needed to co-exist. Fed up with the stupidity that is the middle east of today, religious zealots prevails.

[skrump]

Yes, google recognizing Palestine as a country actually means Palestine is a country...."sarcasm"

Words are words, its determined by the one that has greater power, and Israel has that power.

If Google recognizes it as a country the majority of the world will simply because google is the primary modern sorce of knowledge.
I mean when was the last time you actually picked up a dictonary/encylopedia/map or even took a trip to the local library.

[jugzilla]

My personal opinion, fxxk em both. Both people are lead by idiots who refuse to compromise to the extent needed to co-exist. Fed up with the stupidity that is the middle east of today, religious zealots prevails.

Is the whole world this brain dead? If you were against religious zealots you would not be against Israel. Don't take it from me, see for yourself.

[Issalice]

Really?? I hope you are just attempting to be clever by quoting Google as being a great power. But who know's these days, there are a lot of stupid people. Both nations have pretty much screwed up any chance at making peace any time soon. It isn't hard to look into who is right in this matter. It is historical fact who the land belongs to.

[Deleted]

My personal opinion, fxxk em both. Both people are lead by idiots who refuse to compromise to the extent needed to co-exist. Fed up with the stupidity that is the middle east of today, religious zealots prevails.

I've been following the whole situation for a while now and my opinion on the matter is pretty much the same. If they can't compromise for whatever reasons then f**k em. And fighting because of religious views always seems like 2 insane people throwing their filth at each other, they both get infuriated, both of their opinions are made up in their own crazy heads without any objective reason behind it, neither will change their mind and there is no wrong or right.

[Bakis]

Is the whole world this brain dead? If you were against religious zealots you would not be against Israel. Don't take it from me, see for yourself.

What? I wrote that both people despite the will to co-exist among them both to a large extent is ruined by both of them having religious zealots calling the shots.

The average Joe in both Israel and Palestine gets fucked by their respective people in power.

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Really?? I hope you are just attempting to be clever by quoting Google as being a great power. But who know's these days, there are a lot of stupid people. Both nations have pretty much screwed up any chance at making peace any time soon. It isn't hard to look into who is right in this matter. It is historical fact who the land belongs to.

Again, it is not about a historical pseudo fact cos that shift according to ones personal preference of where to start measuring.
There is no alternative than a compromise and co-exitance.
I'm what would be called pro-palestinian but I acknowledge that such a solution wont ever happen, better they both shape the fuck up and compromise and act like sane rational people for once before killing more of each other as tribute to their holy texts.

[Deleted]

I still don't get Palestine. They have never throughout history been a independent country, they have always been under a kingdom/empire like the Persians, english and Ottoman empire. They have at no point had a government or royal family or anything to call themselves a people with rights over a certain area. So at which point is it they can claim that a certain area belongs to them?