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    A Murder of Crows - DMG calculations

    How is the dmg for A Murder of Crows calculated?

    Is there a good website that will tell me how each abilities dmg is calculated?

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    30 seconds of x attacks per y seconds doing z damage, modified by weapon damage or AP
    I don't think you can really calculate it beyond that

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    I don't play a hunter but if this seems inline with the damage per tick you can use it to work out how much damage it does.

    http://www.wowdb.com/spells/131900-a-murder-of-crows

    As for a website, check your class specific ones but if there isn't anything there you can trawl through wowdb.com and find some damage calcs.

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    Keep in mind, if your trinket(eg. Bad Juju), procs when aMoC has 10 seconds left, those 10 seconds will get the damage boost from Bad Juju. Meaning the DoT scales dynamically with your procs. Therefore it is "hard" to estimate how much it'll do.

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    I have a list of most hunter ability formulas in the hunter FAQ at: http://elitistjerks.com/f74/t130554-...ing_questions/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehterokkar View Post
    Keep in mind, if your trinket(eg. Bad Juju), procs when aMoC has 10 seconds left, those 10 seconds will get the damage boost from Bad Juju. Meaning the DoT scales dynamically with your procs. Therefore it is "hard" to estimate how much it'll do.
    So all the times I've been waiting until 10 stacks of Renataki Blades has been wasted?

    This is news to me..

    Is anything else dynamic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremypwnz View Post
    So all the times I've been waiting until 10 stacks of Renataki Blades has been wasted?

    This is news to me..

    Is anything else dynamic?
    Since MoC technically is considered a pet, it updates dynamically. Serpent sting only updates when you cobra shot, black arrow is snapshotted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabloks View Post
    Since MoC technically is considered a pet, it updates dynamically. Serpent sting only updates when you cobra shot, black arrow is snapshotted.

    See I've heard various things on this subject, some people saying its dynamically and others saying it's a snapshot like serpent sting.. my question is then, at what point would it be better to save it, say you get it up at 5stacks of renataki.

    is it just fire n forget or is it wait till 10 stacks..
    + do you have a source for this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunee View Post
    See I've heard various things on this subject, some people saying its dynamically and others saying it's a snapshot like serpent sting.. my question is then, at what point would it be better to save it, say you get it up at 5stacks of renataki.

    is it just fire n forget or is it wait till 10 stacks..
    + do you have a source for this
    Easy to check if you got an agi proc or want to waste a pot. Go hit a dummy without any dots up till you get a proc then put MoC up, check damage. Click off the buff and check the damage. If it changes then yes, it dynamically updates.

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    PROOF

    Blades is that Renataki stack who dosen't know.
    Code:
    [21:54:33.833] Fatal gains Blades from Fatal
    [21:54:36.018] Fatal gains Blades (2) from Fatal
    [21:54:37.162] Fatal casts A Murder of Crows on Lei Shen
    [21:54:38.010] Fatal gains Blades (3) from Fatal
    [21:54:40.044] Fatal gains Blades (4) from Fatal
    [21:54:40.572] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 26615
    [21:54:41.794] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 26615
    [21:54:42.039] Fatal gains Blades (5) from Fatal
    [21:54:42.538] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *66194*
    [21:54:43.662] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 28735
    [21:54:43.865] Fatal gains Blades (6) from Fatal
    [21:54:44.646] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *71284*
    [21:54:45.775] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *62114*
    [21:54:45.863] Fatal gains Blades (7) from Fatal
    [21:54:46.678] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 29436
    [21:54:47.701] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 29435
    [21:54:47.853] Fatal gains Blades (8) from Fatal
    [21:54:48.559] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *72962*
    [21:54:49.604] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 30401
    [21:54:49.855] Fatal gains Blades (9) from Fatal
    [21:54:50.712] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 31367
    [21:54:51.804] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *62733*
    [21:54:51.869] Fatal gains Blades (10) from Fatal
    [21:54:52.677] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *64665*
    [21:54:53.599] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 31178
    [21:54:53.919] Fatal's Blades fades from Fatal
    [21:54:54.778] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 32144
    [21:54:55.564] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *64288*
    [21:54:56.750] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 16867
    [21:54:57.678] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 15334

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatal- View Post
    PROOF

    Blades is that Renataki stack who dosen't know.
    Code:
    [21:54:33.833] Fatal gains Blades from Fatal
    [21:54:36.018] Fatal gains Blades (2) from Fatal
    [21:54:37.162] Fatal casts A Murder of Crows on Lei Shen
    [21:54:38.010] Fatal gains Blades (3) from Fatal
    [21:54:40.044] Fatal gains Blades (4) from Fatal
    [21:54:40.572] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 26615
    [21:54:41.794] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 26615
    [21:54:42.039] Fatal gains Blades (5) from Fatal
    [21:54:42.538] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *66194*
    [21:54:43.662] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 28735
    [21:54:43.865] Fatal gains Blades (6) from Fatal
    [21:54:44.646] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *71284*
    [21:54:45.775] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *62114*
    [21:54:45.863] Fatal gains Blades (7) from Fatal
    [21:54:46.678] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 29436
    [21:54:47.701] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 29435
    [21:54:47.853] Fatal gains Blades (8) from Fatal
    [21:54:48.559] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *72962*
    [21:54:49.604] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 30401
    [21:54:49.855] Fatal gains Blades (9) from Fatal
    [21:54:50.712] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 31367
    [21:54:51.804] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *62733*
    [21:54:51.869] Fatal gains Blades (10) from Fatal
    [21:54:52.677] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *64665*
    [21:54:53.599] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 31178
    [21:54:53.919] Fatal's Blades fades from Fatal
    [21:54:54.778] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 32144
    [21:54:55.564] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen *64288*
    [21:54:56.750] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 16867
    [21:54:57.678] Fatal A Murder of Crows Lei Shen 15334

    it looks like it was affected by another proc in there, because even after blades faded, you got 2 ticks of double damage. or was that just a delay in updating?

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    That's a delay, because immediately after those two it drops back down.

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    Just go to a dummy with only your weapon on, do aMoC and start attacking it, once you see Scope proc, the damage of aMoC tick will jump. That's how I tested if aMoC scaled dynamically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunee View Post
    See I've heard various things on this subject, some people saying its dynamically and others saying it's a snapshot like serpent sting.. my question is then, at what point would it be better to save it, say you get it up at 5stacks of renataki.

    is it just fire n forget or is it wait till 10 stacks..
    + do you have a source for this
    MOC updates dynamically, you can check it easily at a dummy or when farming dinos.

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    AMoC damage changes dynamically and it has a 0 damage range, meaning every tick will do the exact same damage if unaffected by agility procs. 15 ticks over 30 seconds unaffected by haste.

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