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    5.3 will see fury warriors going bottom of the meter?

    Patch 5.2, buffs to other classes, nerfs to warriors, ok. Warriors went from top DPS to middle. Patch 5.3, buffs again to most other classes, nothing for warriors. We going from middle to bottom dps? Right now I have 530 ilvl and only average around 140k DPS. I usually rank 5-8 in my 25 man raid and the other DPSers arent even skilled.

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    Welcome to the club. Becareful the rogue from the other forum will come in here as well to tell you that your class is okay and you should spend more time to learn your class.

    Don't worry.. We are getting a 33% buff in 5.3. It's called xp boost.

    My 525 warrior is shelved. Thank god H Jin'rokh and H tortos (where we get out 1H) are at least warrior friendly. A good warrior that put his guild first should give up loot to DKs. If you truly want your guild to progress on H. Sub in only when there's no more warlocks, rogues and DKs. See method's post on warrior usefulness and I think it is better time spent leveling up a warlock whilst waiting for your turn to sub in

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    Might have been better if you listed what classes you think gets buffed so much that we end up ind the bottom. Anyways, I am sitting at 520 ilvl and reached 149k on twins yesterday so maybe you aren't that skilled yourself.
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    The sky is falling. I know warriors are pretty bad PvP wise at the moment, but they don't seem that bad PvE wise. Sims and logs all put warriors in the high middle area, which is probably not such a bad place to be. What have you seen specifically that makes you think warriors will be at the bottom?

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    Not sure if there really is some room for huge discussions on the subject. A couple melee specs get quite significant buffs as well as hunters. Let's say I would wait to bet money on placing always #1 in your raids.

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    Let me actually tell people why other Warriors are frustrated.
    "Why bring a Prot Warrior when you can bring a Prot Paladin?"
    "Why bring a Arms Warrior to an RBG when you can have a Frost DK?"
    "Why bring a Fury Warrior to raiding when you can have a Rogue or DK?"
    Middle of the pack isn't bad, but it just means.. Well.. We just don't have a lot to the table compared to other classes.

    Personally, I feel perfectly okay with everything. I like Demo Banner, Skull Banner and Rallying Cry for my support cool-downs.
    Personally, I think it's worse for Prot Warrs. Most guilds want at least one Fury Warrior, perhaps two.

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    As of now in 5.2, we get beat by roges and DKs. Throw in ranged classes, we get beat by all 3 warlock specs, mages and pretty much most ranged classes except maybe hunters.

    Come 5.3, Rets, shammy, monks all getting buffs. No nerfs for rogues , DKs, or any of the ranged classes. Boost for hunters.

    And it's not like we are within 5% range of the top specs. Do you see warlocks complaining about their dps? They have demonic gateway, health stones, soul stone, can summon, beat us on single target fight and thrash us on all multi dot fights. And I vaguely remember our warlock had more health than my fury warrior. Wtf is wrong?
    Last edited by senturion; 2013-05-06 at 05:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senturion View Post
    As of now in 5.2, we get beat by roges and DKs. Throw in ranged classes, we get beat by all 3 warlock specs, mages and pretty much most ranged classes except maybe hunters.

    Come 5.3, Rets, shammy, monks all getting buffs. No nerfs for rogues , DKs, or any of the ranged classes. Boost for hunters.

    And it's not like we are within 5% range of the top specs. Do you see warlocks complaining about their dps? They have demonic gateway, health stones, soul stone, can summon, beat us on single target fight and thrash us on all multi dot fights. And I vaguely remember our warlock had more health than my fury warrior. Wtf is wrong?
    you forgot to add that warlocks also have a shield that increases their survivability significantly on heroic progress. Heroic tortos proves it, locks taking crystal with 30% health never die, neither shield is dropping from quake stomp unless they stand in a rockfall.

    What about warriors.. Die by the sword is the only ability that reduces magical damage with 2min cd. Def stance ? No thanks. dont wanna die from aggro and no rage inc. Only using it on heroic megaera to gather adds on melees. Our raid leader said that they keep us (2 warrs) only for banners, otherwise its a waste of a raiding spot. Would either fill it with 6th and 7th lock or rogues. So i already looking into rerolling enhancement shaman as i really love this spec, it is fine in 5.2 and its going to be insane in 5.3
    Last edited by Hitriy; 2013-05-06 at 06:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senturion View Post
    As of now in 5.2, we get beat by roges and DKs. Throw in ranged classes, we get beat by all 3 warlock specs, mages and pretty much most ranged classes except maybe hunters.

    And it's not like we are within 5% range of the top specs.
    10man normals (Top 100 Parses)

    Jin'Rokh: #4 http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Jin'rokh_...14/60/default/
    Horridon: #12 (well below assassination rogues but on par with other melee) http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Horridon/...14/60/default/
    Council: #14 (second melee behind assassination rogues within 5%) http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Council_o...14/60/default/
    Tortos: #4 (less than 5% behind no.1) http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Tortos/10...14/60/default/
    Megeara: #7 (again 2nd melee behind assassination rogues) http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Megaera/1...14/60/default/
    Ji-kun; #5 (again 2nd melee behind assassination rogues) http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Ji-Kun/10...14/60/default/
    Durumu: #5 (3rd melee behind a/rogues and uh dks) http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Durumu_th...14/60/default/
    Primordius: #9 http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Primordiu...14/60/default/
    getting bored now
    Dark Animus: #17 (granted this one looks terrible for warriors) http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Dark_Anim...14/60/default/
    Iron Qon; #4 http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Iron_Qon/...14/60/default/
    Twin Consorts: #6 http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Twin_Cons...14/60/default/
    Lei Shen: #8 http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Lei_Shen/...14/60/default/

    Heroic parses show similar patterns. There are some fights where warriors appear to perform poorly but generally they fall within the top 10 of most fights. Of the melee dps assassination rogues are basically the only class/spec combo that consistently pull higher numbers. It looks like most fights are a little more range friendly which doesn't help the warrior cause.

    Personally I haven't seen anything in the patch notes that make me think fury warriors are going to be on the bottom of the ladder. Some of the other melee specs are getting some buffs, but looking at it from an unbiased point of view it'd appear as though they may need them. Either way, 5.3 isn't here yet, so chill out, wait and see what happens, and in the meantime enjoy smashing things.

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    Need more dps? Get warlocks. Need more AOE? Warlocks. No more warlocks? Get mages. No more ranged ? Get rogue. No rogues? Get DK.

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    Yes warriors get neffered. But really. The bottom of the meter is still reserved for retri paladins, holy paladins, restro shamans, restro druids, mistwalker monks, holy/disc priest and sub rogues. fury will be lower, yeah, but still not the worst damge class
    (i am 20 and dyslexic so yes i suck at spelling)

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    Not that I'm a fan of raidbots. But do the same analysis again on heroic mode, top 100 parses. If you are still clearing normal mode right now you should be focussing on getting gear. Or improving yourself. Most (I stress most) of the good players are already pushing H content now and the benchmarking should be done at that level

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    http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/...f_Thunder/dps/ no warriors in top 10. 10 or 25. soz, reroll and quit your qq

    edit: 10 and 25 heroic that is, where it matters now.

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    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=2107&e=2309

    Classes within 5% of each other? Rogues don't need nerf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by senturion View Post
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=2107&e=2309

    Classes within 5% of each other? Rogues don't need nerf?
    Senturion is the new meathead ? :P

    But i like how you're comparing bad warriors to good rouges(Highest warrior missed 4 bt and 11 rb and execute phase looked bit weak.)
    530 ilvl and 140k is not a class problem, its a player problem.

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    Who the hell is meathead?

    Then who is a good warrior then in your opinion? How about this:

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=6881&e=7374

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=14159&e=14715


    Tried method logs but don't wanna embarrass their warrior by posting his log here.
    Last edited by senturion; 2013-05-06 at 09:47 AM.

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    lul, i'm 512 i-level and can get 130k, clearly op is a bad warrior.

    but the most annoying thing is that they(GC even said it on twitter) think that arms is ok... because they based it around overpower crit scales logarithmically, where as every other spec in the game, even the tank specs, scale exponentially. how retarded can they be? so arms is too strong at sub 490, but too weak at anything past 520.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senturion View Post
    Who the hell is meathead?

    Then who is a good warrior then in your opinion? How about this:

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=6881&e=7374

    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...=14159&e=14715


    Tried method logs but don't wanna embarrass their warrior by posting his log here.
    Quit yer crying, warriors are fine.
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    Instead of just saying warriors are fine and then personally attacking me, why don't you just state out the reasons why you think so?

    Btw, I didnt start this thread. I just saw someone else who felt we are going into a bad state in 5.3 and I started to post in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senturion View Post
    Instead of just saying warriors are fine and then personally attacking me, why don't you just state out the reasons why you think so?

    Btw, I didnt start this thread. I just saw someone else who felt we are going into a bad state in 5.3 and I started to post in here.
    I didn't attack you. I disagreed with you, and told you that you should stop crying. Actually, I see how the crying thing could be read as an attack.

    More importantly, warriors DPS may be a little bit below par, but there's always someone that's gotta be there, and while we can't dazzle people with half a million DPS sustained throughout a fight that lasts 12 minutes, we do contribute something fierce through raid utility. Rallying cry and Demoralizing banner alone are quite fucking effective, and that's not counting Shattering Throw, Skull Banner, the ability to tank most bosses for quite some time, Mocking Banner (Admittedly not that useful, but when it is it really helps) and good snap AOE with Bladestorm (something that is frequently used this tier).

    My guild is currently 10/13 heroic. We raid 12 hours a week. We have used 4 DPS warriors for a large amount of those kills. Not because they're the best, not because we're entirely out of options, but because they do good enough to be viable. If you're a good warrior in a guild that values you as a player, you won't be sat because you're a warrior.
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