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    Quote Originally Posted by maxilian View Post
    You mean the people that she raised from the grave? like in lordaeron (the playable forsakens?), or are you talking about the bodies Sylvanas used to show Garrosh the Valkyrs power? cause they were part of the Scarlet Crusade, so they were enemies that the forsaken killed and were rezzed, and for the guys that were in the fortress were in war with the forsaken and they were losing, so they had only 2 choise, be rezzed as forsakens or be trasnformed to a worgen (Valkyrs can't raise worgens) cause they were being killed by their enemies... (you know it was a war, what did though would happen?)
    Exactly. In my comment I Said exactly that. She is not monster like arthas. She is not Scourge killing everyone to Rise army. She is killing and rezzing only humans who are at war with her. If you read comment again you will understand that I said exactly same That you did now. Yes Im saying about humans you kill in Fortress in Silverpine Forest. (after Garrosh meeting). They need to resurrect people in order to survive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maxilian View Post
    Most of them didn't chossed to join, they were others champions that fought against the Lich King and then they were rezzed as Dks (At the Dk starting zone, when you get the quest to kill a guy inside a house he explain to you that you are being controlled, that you died, and was rezzed by the LK under his command, and that you have to regain control..., after the DKs got their Free Will back they created the Ebon Blade and fought against the LK)
    WC3 manual says DKs chose to join the LK.

    "The Lich King offered them untold power in exchange for their services and loyalty. The weary, vengeful warriors accepted his dark pact..."

    The PC DKs in Archerus were the newest generation of DKs. These were risen from the dead.
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    No, it's neither harassment NOR ninja'ing to roll on any item the system allows one to.

    Nor is it against any rules to votekick a member from the group - one person can't do it, apparently someone agreed with the rogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DomesticViolence View Post
    Ha I don't think it'd be that simple. She has some mental issues.She's be a bit conflicted as to what to do with the Forsaken, and would they then resent her for being alive?
    Yes of course, she will experience same what she experienced when she was brought back in life as Banshee. But this time this feeling will be doubled with responsibility for Forsaken and Hatred against Everyone. As undead she can trust No one and hate them but as Live being its bit different.


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  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Spichora View Post
    Those people where dead. And the ones you kill in the fortress with Val'kyr were just victims of War. They where in war with Forsaken. The choice was Us (forsaken) or Them (humans). On that time Forsaken fought against Worgen and Humans.
    Oh ho ho; you'd make a good politician. Killing people to raise them isn't ok, but declaring war on them, invading Silverpine, and *then* killing them to raise them is ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    WC3 manual says DKs chose to join the LK.

    "The Lich King offered them untold power in exchange for their services and loyalty. The weary, vengeful warriors accepted his dark pact..."

    The PC DKs in Archerus were the newest generation of DKs. These were risen from the dead.
    "A hero, that is what you once were. You stood boldly against the shadow and purchased another dawn for the world... with your life."

    That to me doesn't sound like a voluntary conversion to a death knight. Just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    Oh ho ho; you'd make a good politician. Killing people to raise them isn't ok, but declaring war on them, invading Silverpine, and *then* killing them to raise them is ok?
    There's a difference between killing people to raise them and raising people after killing them just because their bodies are easily accessible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChadBroChill17 View Post
    "A hero, that is what you once were. You stood boldly against the shadow and purchased another dawn for the world... with your life."

    That to me doesn't sound like a voluntary conversion to a death knight. Just my two cents.
    Again. There's a difference between the 2nd generation (LK) DKs and the PC DKs. The original Scourge DKs during the 3rd War were corrupted paladins that chose to join the LK. The PC DKs in Archerus are a later generation of DKs that were raised from the dead.
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    No, it's neither harassment NOR ninja'ing to roll on any item the system allows one to.

    Nor is it against any rules to votekick a member from the group - one person can't do it, apparently someone agreed with the rogue.

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    she dreamt about being resurrected to life in Stormrage

    They do not die; they do not live. They are outside the cycle. Your gods are not your gods, outsider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezarus View Post
    she dreamt about being resurrected to life in Stormrage
    Knaak, invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    Oh ho ho; you'd make a good politician. Killing people to raise them isn't ok, but declaring war on them, invading Silverpine, and *then* killing them to raise them is ok?
    She didnt declared anything. These humans always fought to reclaim Lordaeron and always will ! Again the Forsaken or Humans. These territory must belong to Humans or Forsaken. This war goes on for long time ! This all began when Sylvanas took Lordaeron to make city in Undercity. Of course the has interests in whole Northern part of Eatern Kingdoms. But Silverpine is nearest one followed By gilneas both of them ar at war now. Though Gilneas war was total aggression taunting from Frosaken, and only they are to blame what happened there, But Silverpine is Different both sides started war. Humans needed Lordaeron Forsaken refused to give and in answer they took Silverpine too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    Doubtful. If anything the new warchief will give her more free room.

    What it will do, is it will show us Sylvanas' true goals. Without a warchief telling her to "take this, take that. Hold Gilneas." we will see if she really has ambitions of conquering the world, or if she was following orders.
    This. I'm betting the next Warchief loosens her reins as a secret test of character--find out who she is when she thinks the Warchief isn't keeping tabs on what she's up to. Whether or not she passes the test or continues unabated (or even steps it up a notch without having to sidestep around Garrosh's no-plague edicts) depends on her and Blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spichora View Post
    She didnt declared anything. These humans always fought to reclaim Lordaeron and always will ! Again the Forsaken or Humans. These territory must belong to Humans or Forsaken. This war goes on for long time ! This all began when Sylvanas took Lordaeron to make city in Undercity. Of course the has interests in whole Northern part of Eatern Kingdoms. But Silverpine is nearest one followed By gilneas both of them ar at war now. Though Gilneas war was total aggression taunting from Frosaken, and only they are to blame what happened there, But Silverpine is Different both sides started war. Humans needed Lordaeron Forsaken refused to give and in answer they took Silverpine too.
    Gilneas was entirely by Garrosh's command. The Forsaken didn't want anything to do with it. Garrosh threatened to invade UC with his army if they didn't comply.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    No, it's neither harassment NOR ninja'ing to roll on any item the system allows one to.

    Nor is it against any rules to votekick a member from the group - one person can't do it, apparently someone agreed with the rogue.

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    Sylvanas needs to become the warcheif.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Knaak, invalid.
    As badly as I want to agree with you, Knaak's shit is still considered canon. Nobody on the lore team has come out on the boards, in interviews, on Twitter, or at Blizzcon to declare Knaak's contributions non-canon even if they've been busy letting Golden kill off his more notorious Stus lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Gilneas was entirely by Garrosh's command. The Forsaken didn't want anything to do with it. Garrosh threatened to invade UC with his army if they didn't comply.
    To wit, after Sylvanas committed suicide in her Leader short story, Garrosh used the Forsaken as meat shields to keep the master race his orcish troops safe and sound behind them. When she came back, she was livid and actually managed to get him to back down and let her take command of the campaign he gave her--something none of the other leaders have managed to do short of Lor'themar (who's always had a pretty loose leash, given the lack of reasons both Thrall and Garrosh have had to distrust him) and Vol'jin (who openly rebels in 5.3, but remains unwillingly compliant in Cataclysm and Tides of War before the assassination attempt in 5.1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    As badly as I want to agree with you, Knaak's shit is still considered canon. Nobody on the lore team has come out on the boards, in interviews, on Twitter, or at Blizzcon to declare Knaak's contributions non-canon even if they've been busy letting Golden kill off his more notorious Stus lately.
    His important shit is canon, but we can pretend that some characters acting out of character didnt happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    His important shit is canon, but we can pretend that some characters acting out of character didnt happen.
    Generally not a fan of death of the author even if the author's a talentless hack with zero understanding of the setting they're working with. Instead, I prefer to file Sylvanas's little vision away the way she would: a weak moment that's immediately crushed underfoot and moved on past without a second look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Gilneas was entirely by Garrosh's command. The Forsaken didn't want anything to do with it. Garrosh threatened to invade UC with his army if they didn't comply.
    Yes you are right, but I was now we where talking about Forsaken taking lands surrounding Lordaeron territories so didnt wanted to mention Orcs here. Still even with Garroshs Command they looked and look very aggressive whole Worgen starting zone quests indicates that Forsaken willed to take control of Gilneas they even used Plague , not following direct orders from Warchief. (thats why I love Sylvanas - unbound iron lady )


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChadBroChill17 View Post
    "A hero, that is what you once were. You stood boldly against the shadow and purchased another dawn for the world... with your life."

    That to me doesn't sound like a voluntary conversion to a death knight. Just my two cents.
    Non evil characters usually can't think of why a character would choose to be evil. Stop thinking everything any character says is universally true. Just because that's what happened from their perspective doesn't mean that's how it really happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spichora View Post
    She will simply go to Silvermoon and life happily after. F*cking all day long with handsome blood elves. She would be surely longing for that
    You think she doesn't get the dick? C'mon man she is a freaking Queen ffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    You think she doesn't get the dick? C'mon man she is a freaking Queen ffs.
    + Royal apotheracy surely can put they knowledge to create some toys. And constructs if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    You think she doesn't get the dick? C'mon man she is a freaking Queen ffs.
    Yeah but come on it is not real sex. Can you imagine F*cking someone rotting dead and you are FORCED to do it! When you are alive it comes naturally. And I dont think Undead people can experience pleasure when having sex.


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