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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    What on earth are you talking about
    Must be hard when you just don't understand things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyHellfire View Post
    Must be hard when you just don't understand things.
    What's got your knickers in a twist, champ?
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    Blizzard offered cardboard cut outs with poster pictures of bosses stapled on them upside down and sideways and many players now feel that is raiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    What on earth are you talking about
    "LFM <entrance raid 10man normal>, link the achievement you possibly couldn't have gained yet and be sure to have <heroic raiding gear> GearScore!"
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    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    What's got your knickers in a twist, champ?
    That was directed at yourself, wasn't it?

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    1. This game is driven by "casual" players.
    2. We all pay to play this game so all should be able to see all endgame content (not HMs of course), LFR is great for that.

    That is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaeed Massani View Post
    "LFM <entrance raid 10man normal>, link the achievement you possibly couldn't have gained yet and be sure to have <heroic raiding gear> GearScore!"
    No-ones forcing you to join 'those' over exaggerated groups, make your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyHellfire View Post
    That was directed at yourself, wasn't it?
    No, clearly you're the one upset here.
    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    Blizzard offered cardboard cut outs with poster pictures of bosses stapled on them upside down and sideways and many players now feel that is raiding.

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    It is laughable.

    Casual = bad.... at least that's what Blizzard believes.

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    LFR posts, LFR post everywhere!

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    Given "casuals" spent years asking for more accessibility to raiding for people who didn't have 4 hrs a night 3-4 nights a week to devote to a game, I'd say yes, this is exactly what "casuals" want. Or, a lot of them do.

    Since when is WoW a dungeon sim either?

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    lag and melee vision issues
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    Welcome to online gaming.
    Welcome to the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panterarules View Post
    It is laughable.

    Casual = bad.... at least that's what Blizzard believes.
    It seems to be what the forums believe.

    Blizzard doesn't make LFR experiences bad. Players do.
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    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

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    I myself, have played WoW for 6 years. Saying that Casuals wont stay, like hardcore raiders, is a load of bullcrap. I don't have time to spend a whole day every week, to raid with my guild. I also want to gear up, and get the best out of my character, without having to shell myself from real life. That's why LFR is an great implement, cause you can do it when you actually have the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxxed View Post
    No-ones forcing you to join 'those' over exaggerated groups, make your own.
    I did actually. It's just hard to accomodate everyone with just one group.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panszer View Post
    I also want to gear up, and get the best out of my character, without having to shell myself from real life. That's why LFR is an great implement, cause you can do it when you actually have the time.
    LFR gear is the best possible gear now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    LFR gear is the best possible gear now?
    I think he meant that it's the best he can get without shelling himself out from his real life obligations.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    I put in the same amount of effort into LFR that I used to put into ICC. Potions, food, elixirs, reading the fight details, etc. LFR is better for me. Why? I can log in and do it when I want. LFR's popularity comes from not being put onto a raiding schedule. People can raid on THEIR time, not the guild's.
    Thank goodness there are a people like you who put effort. If we had a majority of the LFR players like Rick James, LFR would be horrible.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Socialhealer View Post
    5man's mean less raid content, 5mans are faceroll and easy and will never be hard, 1 ra-den > 5 heroic 5mans anyday.

    bored of boosting ppl doing under 250k dps through 5mans for vp.
    yea i freakin hate that too~

    LFRS are good for people on servers that have like, 2 raiding guilds, and can only put together enough people for 1 night per week raiding.

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    LFR allows me to see and partake in raids that i would not normally get to see as I do not have time to commit to a raiding guild (Specific days and times do not work with my schedule). I am a casual player and this suits me nicely thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    LFR's popularity comes from not being put onto a raiding schedule. People can raid on THEIR time, not the guild's.
    It's more thant that. It's not having to suck up to a guild. It's not having to depend on a guild not falling apart. It's not having to be there for the guild when you get nothing out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuben View Post
    It's like attending a warfare re-enactment and receiving a gift bag at the end. For many that's quite enough.
    Ahh I will be borrowing your description of LFR for all future comparisons, thanks.

    On topic, I've been questioning the merit of LFR in recent weeks but have been unable to convince myself I don't need to run it. The rewards are simply too great for the amount (or lackthereof) of effort that goes into it. This issue and the recent thing on the community's "toxicity" (god I love that description) are pretty important and I hope to see some constructive discussion on both at blizzcon.
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    Sorry OP...
    LFR is here to stay - like it or not.
    I am not a particular fan, but I understand its place in WoW and for many, it is end content.
    I would like however if Blizzard did something to make it feel not mandatory for those who choose to raid normal/heroic.
    Since my guild is having a hard time on normal (Yes, we're suck right now - losses have been very hard on us and replacements are near impossible to find on our realm), we are all running LFR to improve gear where possible, but eventually when we are clearing all of ToT on normal, there are no plans to go back to LFR.
    It would be nice if Blizzard found a way to help bolster the community to actually care in LFR though. Would also be nice if mechanics similar to normal (although more forgiving) were implemented as this could be a pool for potential normal content raiders.
    Anyway, good luck and don't stress on it too much. After all it is just a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powcsonka View Post
    Is blizz really serious when they say LFR is what casual players want, or just lazy? How can a 25 man raid sim with lag and melee vision issues be what casuals want? Sorry blizz, progressive tier 5 man heroics are much better content for us. Current = bad bad bad.
    If I understand you correct, you criticizing the technical part? If that's what you mean, I have to agree. But it's not exclusive to LFR, to say that on a side note.

    The raid encounters are over board in regard of visual effects. You have to be a trained player to even find your toon anymore as melee. That's often a huge cluster fuck of bodies and spell effects from players and bosses. And that is not fun. At least it has nothing to do with it.
    An option to turn everyone else' spell effects off would be very helpful with that problem. I can easily see how this is a big problem for total new players, and rather a turn off than an encouragement to get into higher raid difficulties.
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