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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck View Post
    I'm kind of a person who hates seeing people do REALLY low DPS. I'm not talking about players that do 30-40K DPS in LFR, At this point i think that's appropriate given the audience that does LFR, and usually there are people who can make up for those. LFR is not that tightly tuned anyway.

    I'm talking about the players that are really horrible. I once encountered a fire mage in a Temple of the Jade Serpent hc PuG who was doing 2.5K DPS. No, seriously, he was really doing 2.5K DPS. he had no gems, reforges or enchants, didn't use his level 75 or 90 talents and completely botched up his rotation. he used inferno blast on CD, didn't use combustion, stuff like that. I actually felt so bad for him, I gave him my realID (battletag didn't work for some reason) and spent the next 2 hours after the instance tutoring him on his server, explaining what talents to take, what to use when, reforging and enchanting, and finally doing Arena scenario with him so he could get a better weapon. the result was that his DPS went from 3K DPS to 20K DPS, which I was happy about.

    but that was the worst DPS i've ever seen. that DPS would have been great 3 expansions ago, and acceptable 2 expansions ago. but in current content, it's just sad. 20K DPS is still somewhat low, but at least it's not so bad that the instance gets harder because of it.

    what was your worst DPS you've seen in MoP?

    Haha wow that is low. It is nice to see that you did take the time to help him, instead of just calling him a retard and leaving. You should get an achievement for that


    OnT; I've seen 4-6k dps in MoP HCs several times

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    I love to see a few of you actually taking the time to befriend and help. Gives me hope that the entire community isn't full of impatient, elitist jerks.

    OT: my spriest just hit 90 and the next mob saw a huge DPS nerf.

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    I've been playing this game for far too long, throughout my playtime I would encounter said 'underperformers' via dungeon finder and such. I think it might have been Wotlk by the time I was fed up trying to help them. There are sooooooo many tools/websites that offer help, why should I waste my time when they could easily have googled "fire mage rotation" and been mildly successful.

    I hate looking at skada and seeing 1, if not all dps under the tank.

    Want to see some bad dps? queue random 80+ dungeons, bam.

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    37k dps Affli Lock...in ToT LFR

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    Decided to help out a random MSV10 Normal I saw in trade chat stuck at Elegon. After we finished I found out the reason they were stuck, they were carrying a 36k DPS Hunter and 40k DPS Warrior, after 9 stacks. Both were 490+ ilvl. My brain about melted.

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    I haven't seen sub-10k but I ran a 5man a couple of weeks ago with a Hunter that did something like 15k. Worst part was that my tank friend actually invited the guy, he wasn't randomly placed in the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuckels View Post
    Sure but you shoudn't feel forced to raid with her or anyone with that mindset just because she doesnt "feel like it".
    I'm in a social guild: we raid with whoever wants to come, and we have high DPS characters that counterbalances her lower DPS, so I don't mind.

    So long as we're all enjoying ourselves, right? :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Just as an aside: DPS doesn't really matter so long as you're killing bosses and clearing content.
    I know some ppl with this mentality, while it sounds all good and fair the reality is that you are either putting a higher strain on ur healers for a longer than normal kill or you have other dpsers carrying your ass. Sorry but I disagree :-D /my2cents

    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    I'm in a social guild: we raid with whoever wants to come, and we have high DPS characters that counterbalances her lower DPS, so I don't mind.

    So long as we're all enjoying ourselves, right? :3
    Fine, won't disagree with that :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enosh View Post
    I've wondered about that does the lfd tool throw people together based on ilvl, at least to some extend?
    just got my shaman to 90 and also had mostly 430-ish people in my groups the first few runs, while I am usually getting at least 2 or 3 490+ people on my main
    Many people caping vp in mixture of lfr/normal/hc raiding therefore no real need to do any/many dungeons for vp cap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enosh View Post
    I've wondered about that does the lfd tool throw people together based on ilvl, at least to some extend?
    Yes. LFD and LFR attempts to match high and low item level players together where possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck View Post
    I'm kind of a person who hates seeing people do REALLY low DPS. I'm not talking about players that do 30-40K DPS in LFR, At this point i think that's appropriate given the audience that does LFR, and usually there are people who can make up for those. LFR is not that tightly tuned anyway.
    Hunter doing about 1700 dps in a heroic. I still have no idea how.
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    I just finished an heroic with a 7k feral druid. Only doing white and mangle. A one button hero. The sadest thing is that we were doing the rush achiev in Jade temple for two friends who just returned back to wow. With my monk BrM and her mage we just miss it by 11s even with this retarded druid (and his ele shaman friend @15k dps not even capable of spaming chain lightning on packs)

    But the worst I've seen is a warlock doing ~5k (4k by the pet, 1k by himself. Never stoped moving in random direction sometime not even facing his target...)

    WoW must be a very hard game for some people. Try leveling with only one ability
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    I just finished an heroic with a 7k feral druid. Only doing white and mangle. A one button hero. The sadest thing is that we were doing the rush achiev in Jade temple for two friends who just returned back to wow. With my monk BrM and her mage we just miss it by 11s even with this retarded druid (and his ele shaman friend @15k dps not even capable of spaming chain lightning on packs)

    But the worst I've seen is a warlock doing ~5k (4k by the pet, 1k by himself. Never stoped moving in random direction sometime not even facing his target...)

    WoW must be a very hard game for some people. Try leveling with only one ability
    To be fair, I would never try and pug that achieve. You'd be better off looking on forums for someone to do it cross-realm or finding someone in trade and armory'ing them. It requires non-brain-deadness.

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    Lately I ran a Shado Pan Monastery heroic with LFD, got a ret pally who was only doing 8-9k. I badly wanted to kick him, but he was with another guildy who did his role quite well. Don't think it was worth the fight, and risk to get myself kicked.

    How can people not be completely embarrassed for doing so low dps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    How can people not be completely embarrassed for doing so low dps?
    They're too busy enjoying themselves playing, and not trying to squeeze enjoyment out of who is on the top of a list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    They're too busy enjoying themselves playing, and not trying to squeeze enjoyment out of who is on the top of a list.
    This, or they don't have recount / skada installed and don't even know what dps is. There are some people who don't think along the same lines as raiders and/or casual dungeon players. They enter a dungeon to try something different to roleplaying or whatever, they press some buttons, some other players are there, shit happens and the boss dies. They probably aren't even aware that the boss has a set health pool which needs to be reduced to zero in order to get a kill.

    Yes, there are some players like that. I know some of them :P

    Example: There used to be this guy on my realm (he has since transferred to another realm to be with some RL friends). He is a really nice guy and has been playing the game for a very long time. He was actually responsible for getting some other players involved in WoW who I now raid with and would consider to be among the best players i've ever seen, so he knows plenty of good players and knows "how" to play well (or rather what he needs to do to learn to play well). However, he doesn't. He spends much of his time sort of role playing, but not quite to the extent you would imagine. He plays his character the way he would imagine it to be in an "RL" setting. Duelling with him is one of the funniest things i've ever experienced because he will basically have no idea how to beat you, but will instead play out the fight the way he imagines in his head. If he parries one of your attacks, for example, he'll say "hmmm that really shouldn't happen, I was off balance. Hey hit me again and this time make it count!". And when he feels it's time for him to loose, he'll /kneel and let you finish him. It's fucking hilarious, but great fun. I wouldn't say he is ever somebody I want to raid with, but I do definitely envy him for his view of the game and the imaginary world he creates in his head around it. He doesn't even join a guild because he dislikes the drama that they create. There need to be players like this in the game and the community, otherwise the place would be dull as fuck and full of pricks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Had a mage in my guild that did half my DPS on every fight. I'm a DW Blood DK tank.

    When help was offered she refused and said: "I've got very little time to spend enjoying myself, I don't want to do it reading spreadsheets and being told what to do by others."

    Which I think is fair enough.
    Sure, fair enough, WHEN YOUR PLAYING ALONE. When you are playing with others the shittier you do the more burden you put on them. So basically she was being an ass and saying "FU, my time is worth more than yours!".

    Some people don't want to be good. They just want to have fun pressing buttons.
    They are welcome to do that.... when they are not playing with others. If not then they can GTFO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabyio View Post
    So basically she was being an ass and saying "FU, my time is worth more than yours!".
    Because it was? Less time in game = higher monetary cost per hour in game = her time is worth more than mine.
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    If not then they can GTFO.
    Which is why you wouldn't fit well in a casual social guild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    All i have to say to this topic and OP is try to rememebr how your own gameplay looked like when u were begining ur wow adventures amd think what mistakes u were making back then in first 2-3 weeks of playing wow- and now it will be much clearer why some people dps is really really low.

    Funny thing how often some of those low lv unenchanted ungemmed gear are much higher on activity meters then some 70-80k lfr heroes who scream in chat like bunch of monkey blaming everyone for mistakes.

    And about people doin 40k dps in lfrs - think about people who just hit 480 itlv got into ToT lfr but wont waste gold on geming.enchanting/reforging gear cause they never plan to raid with it - just went into lfr to have some mindless fun.

    also people very easily forget how their own dps looked like in first 2 weeks of mop when they were mainly in blues. i bet they were all pushing at least 100k dps right ? -_-
    Pre lvl 40 on my first character in BC (hunter) I stacked spirit so that I wouldn't have to buy food/drink and could instead stand still for a few seconds to regen!

    Someone in the random social guild I was in suggested I try out agility... >.>

    By lvl 70 though I had already came upon various community sites and already had my steady shot macro ready to go and bound to my mouse wheel. Found a guild within 2 weeks doing BC 5 normals who loved my DPS and chain trapping ability and started taking me to their Kara runs.

    I wouldn't expect this out of every player though, my personal approach to games has always been focused on constant improvement and getting the most out of my characters... Even my noobish spirit stacking was still based on a method of efficiency. I wouldn't expect someone who hasn't ever really played an RPG (or even a video game at all) understanding the game of numbers that you're greeted with when you first log into a lvl 1 toon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Had a mage in my guild that did half my DPS on every fight. I'm a DW Blood DK tank.

    When help was offered she refused and said: "I've got very little time to spend enjoying myself, I don't want to do it reading spreadsheets and being told what to do by others."

    Which I think is fair enough.


    Some people don't want to be good. They just want to have fun pressing buttons.
    It's a fair perspective, though her perception that she needs to read spreadsheets to perform is probably what drives that perspective.

    You can perform easily within 60-80% of a classes potential without ever reading a community site or touching a spreadsheet as long as you have the drive to own NPCs in the face.

    You can then further perform within 90-99% (depending on class) of a classes potential without touching a spreadsheet but spending 5 minutes looking at a reputable class guide.

    I've always firmly believed that performance in this game is about drive - rotations are easy to learn, theorycrafting is typically done by people who like doing it for those who don't like doing it - but only you have control over how much drive you have to push buttons and down bosses. I've had people ask me for help performing at 50-60% of their classes potential who had their rotation completely down pat, they were just simply focusing completely on rotation and not on their approach to pushing buttons.

    As always though, some people simply don't derive their fun in this game from having powerful characters, they may derive their fun from RP, throwing random attacks at bosses, or even jumping randomly... Just confuses me how they end up in normal raids though, it's just not the right environment for them these days. :/
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    Nothing I've seen in MoP can top the "Enhancement" shaman I saw in Cata. He apparently had been Ele and decided he didn't want to do that, so he queued as Enh with full Ele gear, shield and caster dagger included. Did 1.6k. I don't know that anyone legitimately trying in MoP could actually do less than that specced as DPS with a full set of MoP greens or better on.

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