If you asume Lich KIng Arthas is still alive then he has Sindragosa as well. Lei Shen Beat that, m*th*rf*ck*r!!!!!!!!! :P
If you asume Lich KIng Arthas is still alive then he has Sindragosa as well. Lei Shen Beat that, m*th*rf*ck*r!!!!!!!!! :P
Lich King obviously is more powerful and also has more powerful back-up, Kel'Thuzad, Anub'arak, etc.
Lich King, no doubt. He could then raise and use Lei Shen as a general in his Scourge army.
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Ummm... Lich King. Because we didn't defeat him. We beat Arthas. Didn't any of you watch the cut scene? "There must always be a lich king". Blizzard took the alliance's Thrall and made him the Lich King. Every time you take the portal to Dalaran, that loading screen is the alliance's version of Thrall. Forever. Presumably if he died/was destroyed, Lei Shen would put the helmet on and become the lich king. At best.
LK is personally stronger however I'd say Lei Shen has a better army.
This is true, but nonetheless the Lich King's power come from Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination, and both items were created by Kil'Jaeden so there isn't the slightest doubt that he is way stronger than his creation. Even if the Lich King managed to break free from the Burning Legion's control.
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The only part you got right was Lich King > Lei Shen. Opinion doesn't matter in this thread, because in reality it would be Old Gods >>>>> Deathwing > or = Kil'Jaeden > Lich King > Lei Shen
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It pretty much comes to this" Deathwing was powered by an Old God whereas Kil' Jaeden was powered by a Titan. It pretty much comes down to a Old God vs Titan topic.
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It's simple, we can't look to the game expasions to set who is the most powerful. The titans are the stronghests, Old God's become in second (even C'thun), Aspects become in third (even Deathwing), then we can have the Sargera's generals, that have been empowered by him (KJ and Archimonde)....only then we can see others, like LK, Illidan, Kael...so, yea, KJ is way more powerful than LK, and C'thun, and Yogg would wipe Deathwing ass in a blink of an eye...even the Titans wasn't able to kill those scumbags, they set a prision...
It wasn't the intention of the post you quoted...
Mmm, not excatly. The Helm and the Sword were crafted by the Nathrezim and then were given their unique abilities by Kil'jaeden (psychic control other the undead the first, capability of stealing souls the second) but that was like the "base". Respectively, both the items gathered their constantly growing power as much more undead entities were connected with the Helm, and as much more souls were stolen by Froustmourne. This is the the reason for which the Helm (the Lich King until he's alive) and Froustmourne became an overpowered combination in the figure of Arthas that wielded both in Wotlk.
I'm convinced too that the Lich King as seen in Wotlk was not at the same level of a full summoned Kil'jaeden but, as Hardstyle said, the difference in power was not abyssal. And probably, with given time, as more living became undead under the Lich King's command, and Froustmourne continued to steal souls endlessly, he would be able in the end to hold his ground with Kil'jaeden and the Old Gods, and if Arthas, with Azeroth conquered, found a way to transfer his restless army to other planets, there was nearly no limit to the power he could had achieve.
I bet his head doesn't enter there rofl and if he did so with Arthas alive, he would turn in a psychic-burned moguwhy not Lei-Shin with the helm of damnation? best of both worlds
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This is a very flawed argument. You're arguing all of this when the Lich King didn't had a freaking body, and imprisoned in an ice block without a body doesn't make you able to do nothing if not scheming and plotting. The whole point for which Kil'jaeden wasn't TOO concerned about Ner'zhul is that, despite all the power he could gather, without a body he couldn't use it, nor use Frostmourne, and was a very vulnerable target. It's arguable that the reason for which Kil'jaden wanted Illidan to destroy the Lich King, and completely ignore the fact the Illidan himself was the whole cause of the Legion's defeat, was not a burning desire of vengeance, Kil'jaeden is not that kind of character, but because he knew what Ner'zhul had in mind and the dangerous role that Arthas had in his plan, and wanted to strike him asap, until Ner'zhul was still vulnerable.
Yeah, the Lich King should thanks Malfurion, but Illidan's plan was mad. He wanted to sink an entire continent. And as seen in Wotlk, Northrend wasn't excatly a lifeless froze wasteland.
There's even to consider that while the stones creations of the mogu cannot be turned to undead, they have a soul inside that make them move, and can be stolen quite easly by Froustmourne or other "stealing souls" thing the Scourge could use.
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Still don't see why this is even a contest. So many people voting for Lei Shen, yet we as adventurers have killed him without any help. I guess they are the same people who just like MoP more than WotLK, or just hate the Lich King. So voting Lei Shen is the only option they have
Lich King. Even if Lei Shen has armies of stone, many of his servants are flesh and blood, meaning they're susceptible to the Lich King.
And hey, who says that the stone constructs aren't able to be influenced by the Lich King? They ARE just spirits animating a stone form; the Lich King pretty much DEALS in spirits.
Even if you roll the Zandalari in with Lei Shen's forces, the Lich King's army is much more diverse. Frost Wyrms, all the various types of undead... oh, and don't forget the plague.
Lei Shen's fortress is basically just that... a single castle. It has a few neighboring facilities, but compare that to Icecrown glacier, which is basically an entire zone that's been turned into a fortress.
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Maybe because Arthas is a too obvious choice. This is in fact an unfair contest, and i believe people are trying to give reasons why the battle should be won by Lei Shen, against all odds.
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He's referring to the fact Ashbringer seemed to be the only weapon that could damage the Lich King (at least during the Death Knight starting quests). Lei Shen doesn't have it, and so he's doomed.
(Lich King pwns.)
I'll have to place my "vote" on Lich King.
Arthas. Fury of frostmourne.