1. #1981
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Mists questing is go colllect oog oog in my dook here and then go there. Really mists takes a step backwards for questoin from cataclysm. in cataclysm i did so much cool crap. I rescued bear cubs from a tree (one of my favs of all time), tamed a sea lion, was a fighter pilot, commanded a little rts army of lions, was an artillery gunner. Man say what you want about cata they did a shot ton different with questing.
    In my opinion the better questing experience I have ever had was on wotlk. Very immersive, and lots of variety.
    I'm afraid cata was too lighthearted for me. And definitely too linear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Mists questing is go colllect oog oog in my dook here and then go there. Really mists takes a step backwards for questoin from cataclysm. in cataclysm i did so much cool crap. I rescued bear cubs from a tree (one of my favs of all time), tamed a sea lion, was a fighter pilot, commanded a little rts army of lions, was an artillery gunner. Man say what you want about cata they did a shot ton different with questing.
    You obviously did different quests than I did!

    I did alliance leveling from 85-90, and did that sniping quest which was different and enjoyable. The amber collecting one for the klaxxi was cool as you had the old warriors telling you their story. You did a rail shooter on a fighter jet for alliance too. There was some poo quests I think, but TBC had them... Cata questing was ok but I felt like I was playing portal hopping between them in stormwind. The expac I enjoyed most while leveling is probably still wrath but thats because im an arthas fanboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Yea when I saw that I stepped up and said who the fuck is this panda and why is he stopping this throw down from going on? what happened to he war? All i've seen are pacifists telling people not to fight.
    Patch 5.5: Pandageddon or Apandalypse.
    It's where we kill all the Panda's for being annoying bitching hippies.
    Ooh, even worse! Hypocritical whiners; because they kill their own children for 'sport' and judge us for killing enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    You obviously did different quests than I did!

    I did alliance leveling from 85-90, and did that sniping quest which was different and enjoyable. The amber collecting one for the klaxxi was cool as you had the old warriors telling you their story. You did a rail shooter on a fighter jet for alliance too. There was some poo quests I think, but TBC had them... Cata questing was ok but I felt like I was playing portal hopping between them in stormwind. The expac I enjoyed most while leveling is probably still wrath but thats because im an arthas fanboy.
    That sniping quest is literally the only I can remember that was remotely interesting or unique. IT lacked diversity at all. Maybe I just didn't run into it I don't know. All they asked me to do was kill and collect. In cata even with the fast travel they asked me to do more neat and diverse crap like I listed before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Patch 5.5: Pandageddon or Apandalypse.
    It's where we kill all the Panda's for being annoying bitching hippies.
    Ooh, even worse! Hypocritical whiners; because they kill their own children for 'sport' and judge us for killing enemies.
    I'll be so god damned glad to get off this stupid island in the next patch. Back to the barrens and not fat panda farmlands. And then in 6.0 well it better be mars or cocytus or some place so god damn fantastic it will blow my mind and then rebuild only to blow it again.
    The hammer comes down:
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  5. #1985
    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    Lfd is the tool of satan. It provides a service but in changes takes the soul of the community.
    Satan plays WOW? I bet his server is dead too. And thank you satan for LFD!!

  6. #1986
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    I hate hate hate hate the majority of gear in this game now. The paladin belt and shoulders from this tier look OKAY. I like the paladin belt with the big glowing part in the middle. That's about it. The shoulders are okay to they kinda match the belt. EVERYTHING ELSE I"VE XMOGGED and xmogging old gear has become my new fav thing to do during off time.
    GL, sir, you and I have now found something we completely agree on.
    God/Goddess/inanimate object of your choice bless transmog.
    "There is good and evil in this world; we must find the black and white in the gray."

  7. #1987
    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    You obviously did different quests than I did!

    I did alliance leveling from 85-90, and did that sniping quest which was different and enjoyable. The amber collecting one for the klaxxi was cool as you had the old warriors telling you their story. You did a rail shooter on a fighter jet for alliance too. There was some poo quests I think, but TBC had them... Cata questing was ok but I felt like I was playing portal hopping between them in stormwind. The expac I enjoyed most while leveling is probably still wrath but thats because im an arthas fanboy.
    The fun thing for me back in vanilla and tbc was to find quests that I could do at the same times when I was in the area anyway, it was a fun little exercise. Now a days everything is on rails there is no if I go get those other quests, I can do them at the same time.
    Nope all the questsgivers stand within 5 yeards of each other in each mini quest hub, pointing you in the same direction.

    It is kinda strange to think back to back in the days where I did desolace in order to get the dungeon quest for the scarlet monastary, but in some way it was fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dax75 View Post
    The fun thing for me back in vanilla and tbc was to find quests that I could do at the same times when I was in the area anyway, it was a fun little exercise. Now a days everything is on rails there is no if I go get those other quests, I can do them at the same time.
    Nope all the questsgivers stand within 5 yeards of each other in each mini quest hub, pointing you in the same direction.

    It is kinda strange to think back to back in the days where I did desolace in order to get the dungeon quest for the scarlet monastary, but in some way it was fun.
    How about zul farrak's mallet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dax75 View Post
    The fun thing for me back in vanilla and tbc was to find quests that I could do at the same times when I was in the area anyway, it was a fun little exercise. Now a days everything is on rails there is no if I go get those other quests, I can do them at the same time.
    Nope all the questsgivers stand within 5 yeards of each other in each mini quest hub, pointing you in the same direction.

    It is kinda strange to think back to back in the days where I did desolace in order to get the dungeon quest for the scarlet monastary, but in some way it was fun.
    It was fairly fun but then rather frustrating for some players so I can see why they made their changes. I prefer the new way they do the questing as I dislike leveling in general. So if the quest gives are all there and tell me where to go im all for it. One thing I disliked in vanilla was having to alt tab to thottbot and go WTF am I supposed to go now? as the quest giver said "GO to X place" and you got there and when finding out nothings there checking thottbot only to find out its on the OTHER END OF THE FUCKING ZONE. Oh yes blizzard I have not forgiven you for that.

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    Maybe if this game wasn't such a casual fest, PvE would be a tad more intriguing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    How about zul farrak's mallet?
    never was a fan of zul ferrak, but I think I did get it on one toon going to the hinterlands for it oh well^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    No that's not the point.The point is Blizzard is designing their game around casuals and it's showing even in the most hardcore part of the game. Nothing is left untouched by their simplifying plague.
    Everquest is that way -->
    Also, casuals bring in the most revenue, not designing a game around them today is suicide if you want to have more than 500K subs.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    They think casuals and hardcore players are so different,but they're fkin not.The only difference is the time they have to play.
    Errrrr... No. Just no. Hardcore players are on average better at playing their character (if only because of the time spent). Now, there are sorts of players, but saying that the time to play is the only factor is silly.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    They think of casuals as goldfish that willingly pay every month to log in and do a set dailies because they think dailies are so fkin fun.Same with LFR,they think casuals view that as the climax of their gaming experience.
    And what should they do? Block them completely from the game with tedious leveling and hard mobs like in Vanilla?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    On the other side they think they're letting the hardcore players be,yet hc raids get nerfed,progression gear and vp is locked behind dailies and LFR,and as a consequence,alts are locked behind dailies and LFR too. It's never been this shitty to have alts,all because of ''casual content''.
    Yes, MOP is alt-unfriendly. However, frankly, I would still prefer a lot to do one one character rather than run LFR on 4 toons like I did in 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    So yeah Blizzard is currently shitting all over its playerbase,casual or hardcore.
    Dunno, hardcores seem to be pretty happy with ToT HC tuning overall.

    BC/LK raider ('07-'10)

  13. #1993
    One of the simplest and very easy to implement ways Blizzard could help retain new subs and retention is to fix ganking. It's the elephant in the room, and a few 90s may cry, but I hate to imagine how much money Blizzard has lost by not doing something about it years ago. I have many high level characters so it doesn't apply to me, but putting myself in their shoes if I were a new wow player and happened to pick a pvp realm (which sounds more fun to most folks), I would probably think hard about quitting if I got ganked over and over in the first level 20 zone I reach. Even the whole Southpark wow episode a few years back was based on low level characters getting ganked. There are 2 easy options for solutions, either increase the level zone when pvp flagging starts (40/60/80 instead of 20?), or make low-level characters be able to set being unflagged (like chars are unflagged while flying using flight points). It's one thing Guild Wars 2 got right. Keep pvp in the battlegrounds/arenas. A 90 1-shotting a 80 or lower isn't pvp, it isn't fun, it's not even much fun for the person doing it. There can still be the occasional IoT wpvp, sometimes at the Dark Portal, I don't think Tarren Mill much anymore, and those can still happen. But saying to someone new to wow who makes the mistake of picking a pvp realm, enjoy being one-shot over and over while leveling with no real pvp chance to win if attacked, and if you don't like it pay us $25 per character to transfer to pve...is close to Blizzard saying screw you we don't care if you leave wow.

    As a side-note, if Blizzard sat through 1 tot lfr they'd also see why subs are leaving in droves too. Seems like most lfrs now devolve into a finger pointing, name calling, kicking people at the slightest thing, face pulling, afk/following collection of the worst of wow community rolled into 30-45 minutes. In fact the last couple lfrs I've been in, i've seen people initiating vote kicks against anyone that speaks just as a joke of how bad it has gotten.

  14. #1994
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Tbc was the expansion that came with the following qol features:

    FLYING MOUNTS
    BADGE GEAR (LOL CASUALS)
    REMOVAL OF ATTUENEMENTS (LOL CASUALS)
    10 MAN RAIDS (LOL CASUALS)
    HEROIC DUNGEONS WITH GEAR (LOL CASUALS)

    Tbc gave more to casuals than almost any other expansion I can think of. ESPECIALLY IN TERMS of significance. Wrath added a bunch to but with the exception of lfd nothing was as significant for casuals as heroic dungeons with gear or badge gear.
    Well Kinda...

    1) You didn't have flying mounts until lvl 70, and then the slow-arse ones. The expensive flying was...well expensive. And of course, the old world was still flying mount free.
    2) Badge gear...ok I'll give you that
    3) Attunements were still very very much there for at least half (if not more) of the expansion, for both Kara, and for BT.
    4) Ten man raids...well 2 of them (and 2 unique ones).. Kara which was huge..and then a big leap to ZA, which was punishing for those which only had ten man gear. (and only there in 2.3 I think as well?)
    5) Well limited purples from Heroic dungeons (until MgT came).. and it was quickly dropped for Kara gear.

    So, even the items which made it easier, only came in through out the expansion as it grew..yet I never felt there was nothing to do. The rep rewards were optional (like Netherwind, or Skyguards, or Orgilla etc, along with the dungeon reps like Lower city etc, which only gave one or two nice pieces along with receipes.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistahwilshire View Post
    I've tried every "next greatest thing" F2P MMO in the past year or so and have been thoroughly unimpressed with all of them. I don't see this increase in quality people have talked about. F2P is still complete shit imo.
    Maybe because you're not Chinese.
    This being said, I agree that most F2P games are unimpressive at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    GL, sir, you and I have now found something we completely agree on.
    God/Goddess/inanimate object of your choice bless transmog.
    One of the best additions to the game since well badge gear imho. In fact it's added a whole wealth of new gameplay for me cause I go back and collect that crap. Man getting my warlock decked out and sexy is awesome as hell. One thing they NEED to do is life more restrictions on some of the xmog. I foound a nice pair of leather shoulders that match my xmog a little bit better in SSC but their leather right. The ONLY piece of gear I've actually think looks kinda neat so far is the paladin shulders and belt. [IMG]

    [/IMG]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solitare-sp View Post
    Well Kinda...

    1) You didn't have flying mounts until lvl 70, and then the slow-arse ones. The expensive flying was...well expensive. And of course, the old world was still flying mount free.
    2) Badge gear...ok I'll give you that
    3) Attunements were still very very much there for at least half (if not more) of the expansion, for both Kara, and for BT.
    4) Ten man raids...well 2 of them (and 2 unique ones).. Kara which was huge..and then a big leap to ZA, which was punishing for those which only had ten man gear. (and only there in 2.3 I think as well?)
    5) Well limited purples from Heroic dungeons (until MgT came).. and it was quickly dropped for Kara gear.

    So, even the items which made it easier, only came in through out the expansion as it grew..yet I never felt there was nothing to do. The rep rewards were optional (like Netherwind, or Skyguards, or Orgilla etc, along with the dungeon reps like Lower city etc, which only gave one or two nice pieces along with receipes.)
    The thing you have to understand is that while these all had caveats to them THEY WERE ENOURMOUSLY GOOD QOL upgrades and they were in TBC. They were iterated and improved upon but relative to vanilla and what the other mmos were doing those were MASSIVE give aways to make the game far more casual friendly. wow is and always has been a game made for a much more casual market to have a much broader appeal because it's casual and the minute they stop doing that is the minute the game looses subscribers
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    The hammer comes down:
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  17. #1997
    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    It was fairly fun but then rather frustrating for some players so I can see why they made their changes. I prefer the new way they do the questing as I dislike leveling in general. So if the quest gives are all there and tell me where to go im all for it. One thing I disliked in vanilla was having to alt tab to thottbot and go WTF am I supposed to go now? as the quest giver said "GO to X place" and you got there and when finding out nothings there checking thottbot only to find out its on the OTHER END OF THE FUCKING ZONE. Oh yes blizzard I have not forgiven you for that.
    Theres a double edged sword with that though. On one half, what you're saying is annoying sure, but on the other it also removes any mystery or variability from the game.

    In Vanilla, the world was a mystery, you didn't have a set path or everyone knowing everything about everything. You could discover things by yourself, or with help from others bringing people together and making a community. Now, you know where every quest is, and you can't miss them, and you know what every boss drops, along with the tactics etc etc...

    Theres no surprise or discovery or wonder...just the grind.

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    They'll be losing another subscription if they ban me.

    I told someone I reported them for using an auction house bot. This guy has two accounts running alongside each other and are being controlled by a third party program which runs to the mailbox, collects mail, runs to the auctioneer, posts, cancels and undercuts auctions.
    Soon after I told them I reported them for it (I know I should have just left it at the report) he's asking in trade chat with one of his characters about reporting people for harassment (I assume it's me he wants to report).
    Right after I had spoken to him about botting the two characters he was using to bot suddenly stopped botting for about 10 minutes. I'm not just sure he's botting, I'd bet everything I have on it.
    Knowing Blizzard though, I'll be banned for harassment and he'll go on botting the AH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    GL, sir, you and I have now found something we completely agree on.
    God/Goddess/inanimate object of your choice bless transmog.
    Makes 3 of us. I have bags full of transmog gear. I just want to be able to Transmog my legendaries..... THERE I SAID IT.

    I love finding new items to make a set out of apart from aq40 items may they rest in a burning pit somewhere. FUGLY stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    One of the best additions to the game since well badge gear imho. In fact it's added a whole wealth of new gameplay for me cause I go back and collect that crap. Man getting my warlock decked out and sexy is awesome as hell. One thing they NEED to do is life more restrictions on some of the xmog. I foound a nice pair of leather shoulders that match my xmog a little bit better in SSC but their leather right. The ONLY piece of gear I've actually think looks kinda neat so far is the paladin shulders and belt. [IMG]

    [/IMG]

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    The thing you have to understand is that while these all had caveats to them THEY WERE ENOURMOUSLY GOOD QOL upgrades and they were in TBC. They were iterated and improved upon but relative to vanilla and what the other mmos were doing those were MASSIVE give aways to make the game far more casual friendly. wow is and always has been a game made for a much more casual market to have a much broader appeal because it's casual and the minute they stop doing that is the minute the game looses subscribers
    Yeah that's true indeed, but they also gave great mileposts and sense of achievement. When you got to those places you felt great.

    Nowadays its just all a treadmill, with no real YAY!! moments on the way..

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