1. #3101
    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    It would make business sense to remake the engine if the game still has *millions* of subs, if the IP is still popular, and if it needs to compete more. That's a lot of money. And Blizz have the money to do it. If they want to be greedy fair enough. If profits are more important than the game, then again fair enough. Competition will eventually replace WoW.
    Depending on how many resources you need to spend remaking it it might make more business sense to make a sequel. A sequel would after all probably be more likely to attract new players and old players who've quit than a remade engine for an old game would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    It depends if the IP remains popular. I don't think it's going anywhere.

    Resident Evil and Silent Hill are both still here.



    When average PC tech and graphics take a leap (for average players) then it will be easier to update the graphics, even if they have to remake the engine. I think if WoW still remains popular 2 years from now despite the aging graphics, then they will seriously consider it because that would be proof that the IP is more popular than graphics. It might be easier than making a sequel. Considering how successful WoW has been already Blizz don't really have anything to prove. Warcraft will be here for a long time.

    All I said was tech and software evolve very quickly.
    Of course the IP will remain popular when WarCraft has such a long and strong history. That does not make WoW guaranteed to continue to be popular if a new engine is used. WoW is not equivalent to the entire IP of WarCraft and it never will be.

    You have no basis to make such a claim. The current engine is too old for significant graphic updates and Blizzard has already done a lot of graphical updates over the years. They are pushing what the engine is capable of.

    Also, graphics is only one aspect of a game engine. The graphics is not the main problem, it's the limitations that affect the gameplay and features that could help spice things up in the game. A new engine would need to improve these aspects significantly for it to be a worthwhile effort. A graphics update will not simply cut it.
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  3. #3103
    Quote Originally Posted by Mulgore Sweet Potato View Post
    Depending on how many resources you need to spend remaking it it might make more business sense to make a sequel. A sequel would after all probably be more likely to attract new players and old players who've quit than a remade engine for an old game would.
    Probably. But that will take Blizzard half a decade to make. If Titan isn't going to compete with WoW then an aging WoW isn't going to compete with other MMOs in that genre. Therefore they will have to remake the engine at some point in the future unless they have a replacement ready or are prepared to lose more players.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight View Post
    Of course the IP will remain popular when the franchise has such a long and strong history. That does not make WoW guaranteed to continue to be popular if a new engine is used. WoW is not equivalent to the entire IP of WarCraft and it never will be.
    So you don't want WoW to have better graphics and gameplay? You just want Bobby Kotick to make more money and milk the game as it dies? He's not going to share any of that with you, know you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight View Post
    You have no basis to make such a claim. The current engine is too old for those updates and Blizzard has already done a lot of graphical updates over the years. They are pushing what the engine is capable of.

    Also, graphics is only one aspect of a game engine. The graphics is not the main problem, it's the limitations that affect the gameplay and features that could help spice things up in the game. A new engine would need to improve these aspects significantly for it to be a worthwhile effort. A graphics update will not simply cut it.
    They will remake the engine sooner or later to keep up with demand if that demand exists. The engine can create a more solid foundation for more modernized gameplay as well.

    Of course there's no guarantee. There never is. But considering WoW's sheer popularity, it's not going to die any time soon, and even a mere few million subs is still highly profitable.

    Don't you want WoW to improve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    So you don't want WoW to have better graphics and gameplay? You just want Bobby Kotick to make more money? He's not going to share any of that with you, know you.



    They will remake the engine sooner or later to keep up with demand if that demand exists. The engine can create a more solid foundation for more modernized gameplay as well.

    Of course there's no guarantee. There never is. But considering WoW's sheer popularity, it's not going to die any time soon, and even a mere few million subs is still highly profitable.

    Don't you want WoW to improve?
    What I want is irrelevant to what Blizzard is going to do. Also, even if I think that improving WoW is a good thing, I frankly desire a new game more than continuing with updating a game I started playing in 2006. A new game would offer more than a game I know inside and out at this point.

    Titan is their answer to a more modern MMO. If they truly wanted WoW to not fall behind they would have focused on getting WoW on a new engine at this point. They obviously have not even started with such a task, so they have already wasted time to make a new engine worthwhile. Blizzard is planning for a future where WoW is not as popular as it has been for so long. Every action they're making points to this direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight View Post
    What I want is irrelevant to what Blizzard is going to do. Also, even if I think that improving WoW is a good thing, I frankly desire a new game more than continuing with updating a game I started playing in 2006. A new game would offer more than a game I know inside and out at this point.

    Titan is their answer to a more modern MMO. If they truly wanted WoW to not fall behind they would have focused on getting WoW on a new engine at this point. They obviously have not even started with such a task, so they have already wasted time to make a new engine worthwhile. Blizzard is planning for a future where WoW is not as popular as it has been for so long. Every action they're making points to this direction.
    They don't need to upgrade the graphics engine because the competition is so weak. WoW might not be as popular as it once was but it sure as hell will still be popular. WoW is the Playstation of MMORPGs. Blizz will slow the decline until they remake or replace the game. Again, if there's a demand for it.

    I think the WoW IP still has a lot of potential, but the only thing that will force the best out of Blizz or anyone for that matter is more competition which we won't see for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    They don't need to upgrade the graphics engine because the competition is so weak. WoW might not be as popular as it once was but it sure as hell will still be popular. WoW is the Playstation of MMORPGs. Blizz will slow the decline until they remake or replace the game. Again, if there's a demand for it.

    I think the WoW IP still has a lot of potential, but the only thing that will force the best out of Blizz or anyone for that matter is more competition which we won't see for a long time.
    I can agree with that. There really is no reason for Blizzard to push things when the competition is weak at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight View Post
    I can agree with that. There really is no reason for Blizzard to push things when the competition is weak at best.
    There's been plenty of competition, and it's all taken it's toll on the game.

    Even if they're small games comparatively, combined they're doing, and have done, plenty of damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    Both franchises are still alive despite being old and have been adapted into movies.

    My point was that IPs remain popular over time. People here are only arguing against that because they want to make excuses for Blizzard being lazy and letting WoW die.

    The game is old, but the IP is still popular.




    It is proof that the IP is still popular.



    Or remake the engine.

    WoW has stunning art that ages well. That's why the graphics haven't become outdated fast. Technically, WoW was old when it was new.

    So people claiming that WoW is "old" so Blizz should do nothing are wrong. WoW's art is still amazing.

    It would make business sense to remake the engine if the game still has *millions* of subs, if the IP is still popular, and if it needs to compete more. That's a lot of money. And Blizz have the money to do it. If they want to be greedy fair enough. If profits are more important than the game, then again fair enough. Competition will eventually replace WoW.
    Remaking the game plus making a new expansion would mean a lot of down time which would be spent on current content. They would have to redesign pretty much every model to get the models to 2013 game quality. The downtime wouldn't be worth it to me.
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  9. #3109
    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    They don't need to upgrade the graphics engine because the competition is so weak.
    you are right, they should wait until the competition is really strong before they start to improve things.

    oh, wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
    There's been plenty of competition, and it's all taken it's toll on the game.

    Even if they're small games comparatively, combined they're doing, and have done, plenty of damage.
    Sure, but chipping off bits and pieces does not exactly motivate Blizzard to push things more than they have always done. A lot of damage has been caused by the game itself and its flaws, so the competition is still not that strong, if you ask me. Many have a tendency to come back to the game more or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight View Post
    Sure, but chipping off bits and pieces does not exactly motivate Blizzard to push things more than they have always done. A lot of damage has been caused by the game itself and its flaws, so the competition is still not that strong, if you ask me. Many have a tendency to come back to the game more or less.
    If Blizzard are not motivated by competition no matter how small they are then are idiots which I don't believe to be the case. What do mean the competition is not that strong? Once you take out the Chinese market where many MMOs do not compete with Blizzard WOW is not the powerhouse that people on these boards make out, I would not be surprised if GW2, SWTOR and WOW had similar sized player bases in the West and if they do not now it will not be long before they do. The evidence points to people do not come back to the game once they have left there have been no rises in sub numbers since the release of MOP and that was short lived. For the most part people are willing to give a product a second chance but rarely to they give a third or fourth, MOP was WOW's secpnd chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    If Blizzard are not motivated by competition no matter how small they are then are idiots which I don't believe to be the case. What do mean the competition is not that strong? Once you take out the Chinese market where many MMOs do not compete with Blizzard WOW is not the powerhouse that people on these boards make out, I would not be surprised if GW2, SWTOR and WOW had similar sized player bases in the West and if they do not now it will not be long before they do. The evidence points to people do not come back to the game once they have left there have been no rises in sub numbers since the release of MOP and that was short lived. For the most part people are willing to give a product a second chance but rarely to they give a third or fourth, MOP was WOW's secpnd chance.
    Blizzard's developers have always worked pretty hard in my book, so motivating already hard workers would need someone else to outperform their own results that change the status quo so that they can perform better as well. By all accounts Blizzard has performed remarkably well far beyond anyone else to attract customers, so pushing it even further with the results they've had is hard to do already.

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    Most players get burnt out. At least in my case I was burnt out after 3 months of raiding. I don't know what it was this expansion but raiding was not fun. I quit in December and just recently came back. I refuse to raid. I wont even do the LFR because I am afraid I will just hate it and get burnt out. Currently doing Pvp. I am not surprised with how many people quit after a few months of MOP my GM of 3 years quit and the only other time he quit over his 8 year period was after FL so he could play SW:TOR. This game is not dying and it will not die unless the servers go off. What you people can't seem to grasp is most MMO's F2P or P2P survive on less then a million players. Some less then 100,000. WoW has consistently had millions of players making their revenue off the charts when it comes to financial profits. Losing 1million players looks like a lot because it is a 10th of the population but it really is not that much at all. Really the only thing Blizzard should do about the loss in players is to merge low pop servers or give free transfers to get off them. Trust me I know it is not fun to play on a low pop server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Death Knight View Post
    Blizzard's developers have always worked pretty hard in my book, so motivating already hard workers would need someone else to outperform their own results that change the status quo so that they can perform better as well. By all accounts Blizzard has performed remarkably well far beyond anyone else to attract customers, so pushing it even further with the results they've had is hard to do already.
    How do you know how hard Blizzard's developers work? Blizzard have not performed well attracting new customers since 2008, five years, and for the past two and half they have been losing customers at alarming rate. In most businesses after such a long period of failure if the current people are not capable of pushing it further you find people that are.

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    Last quarter's conference call was about a month after I had grown tired of MoP and quit. Yet, I was still in the habit of checking this site daily for updates. This time around, I no longer browse anything WoW related, and didn't even realize there was a conference call until I read about it today on some other site. Times change, and WoW is so far off my radar that it may as well not exist anymore. I would not play it in it's current state even if it turned f2p. I imagine many people are in the same boat as me, so I suspect Blizzard will have a hard time luring back former customers.

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    I ended my sub about 5 or 6 weeks ago, after being continually subbed for 5+ years. I never thought the day would come, but it has done and it's the end of an era for me. I ended my sub purely because I feel the game has gone down the wrong path of late, starting with the decision to make 10 and 25 equal at the start of Cata.

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    If someone could come up and say what happened to those 1.3 million, where did they end up and what are they playing now.

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    Number of games that have had graphics worse than WoW that have successfully competed with WoW: 0.

    Number of games that have had graphics better than WoW that have successfully competed with WoW: 0.

    Hmm. Graphics may not be the answer.

  20. #3120
    the barrier for entry is too high for WoW.

    Most people that are interested in trying out a new game, just want to buy the game and be able to play it. With WoW, you have to buy the game, then buy several more games, then set up your subscription. Then you can finally play.

    If they really wanted to survive, stop separating the expansions from the original game. Every new expansion should come with ALL previous games. This would allow new players to revive the game.

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