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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Adding convenience to an online game is like doing drugs. It feels good for a while, but in the longterm you're going to be stuck with it and only see how badly it ruined everything.
    Story of my life.

  2. #382
    I'm sorry but every one of the OP's suggested "solutions" are things I absolutely would not want to be implemented. I love flying mounts and teleport abilities and all the things he wants removed or changed. The things I don't like include Heirloom items and Arenas.

    I'm actually enjoying being able to log in when I want and do some dailies and an LFR or two. The pressure of having to be on at scheduled days and times even if there are other things I'd like to do instead is now gone. I can play or not as I wish and still see all the content in some form or another. I've become essentially a solo player no longer reliant on other people logging in to be able to play. Although it took an adjustment period to get used to it, I'm loving it now.
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  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by shise View Post
    There we go with more "save wow".

    Blizzard has launched the best xpack since BC (is a shame because WotLK had the potential, the lore... but they screwed it making it so casual oriented)

    WoW is GROWING, who cares they lose a million subs in the east? EU servers are as full as never before, same goes with US (except low pop ones of course, nothing new there)



    Thing is, if you don'tl ike some things, jsut quit and stop moaning, but that's just my opinion ofc.
    I actually feel like all servers are dead, even Outland, Sylvanas, Stormscale etc, nothing compared to the population of WotLK IMO

  4. #384
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    More character customization, when you like how your character looks, you'll want to play as it. Dance studio, damn it!

  5. #385
    People cannot seem to make the very simple connection between "casual friendly" and WOW's extended product life cycle. No going back. Most people above 21 don't have the time to experience "old wow" for an extended period of time AND get to see all an expansion has to offer.

    However, I do think the immersion analysis is a good one. Just don't think anyone has it better figured out than Blizzard as far as maximizing their subs as long as they have. I think we will see the same cycle of heavy grind to lighter grind per expansion until maybe Titan.

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    God please Blizzard do this. Do this now. I don't think i could count the subscriber loss it would so enourmous.

    Now for anyone who takes the OP seriously (and I'm relieved to see most of you have the good god damn sense not to) here's a little tip. QoL doesn't kill immersion. What killed immersion was the fact that you got bigger than the world. See the world didn't change, it's the same. You just got bigger and smarter and you saw the man behind the curtain. The real reason immersion is gone is not because of the game changing but because YOU DID.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    God please Blizzard do this. Do this now. I don't think i could count the subscriber loss it would so enourmous.

    Now for anyone who takes the OP seriously (and I'm relieved to see most of you have the good god damn sense not to) here's a little tip. QoL doesn't kill immersion. What killed immersion was the fact that you got bigger than the world. See the world didn't change, it's the same. You just got bigger and smarter and you saw the man behind the curtain. The real reason immersion is gone is not because of the game changing but because YOU DID.
    Kinda like when they were kids and believes in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny... a kid's world shatters when they realize that their parents are Santa Claus and as such, when kids (gamers) grow up, what immersed them as kids isn't what immerses them now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seranthor View Post
    Kinda like when they were kids and believes in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny... a kid's world shatters when they realize that their parents are Santa Claus and as such, when kids (gamers) grow up, what immersed them as kids isn't what immerses them now.
    Yep. You aren't the kid you were when you started wow. You can't go back. Move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Look. Seriously, removing flying mounts would be a fucking retarded call. Go play rift if you don't want to see the continent.

  10. #390
    Yes, let's make the game as tedious and repetitive as possible. Only the people who care enough about the game to make it a second job deserve to enjoy it. You must earn everything through arbitrary timesinks designed to artificially prolong game time. You must play the game exactly how I enjoy it because my way of playing the game is substantially better than yours. WoW was better back in the old days when everything was "harder". It doesn't matter how many people enjoy the game as it is, my way is better.

    Hell, while we're at it lets get rid of running. Normal people don't run around the city, nor do they run from place to place. Real adventurers walk to save their energy for a possible fight. Oh, we should also add fatigue bars too. Even better, we could make it so you had to eat three times a day and drink regularly. You must also sleep in a bed at night or you get a debuff because you're tired. Armor and weapons should have diminishing returns on repairs too, so eventually you can't fix them up to their fullest point and they break. Then you have to spend all that time getting the armor or buy it again.

    I love immersion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagoroth23 View Post
    I have returned after a 3 year break to see what has gone wrong with the game I played 6 times a week for 6 years of my life.
    I'm sorry to be the one to say it, but Nostalgia is a beast. If you are gone more than a few weeks this game changes drastically. Blizz has already made their stand on not reverting anything and they are not about to open classic or expansion specific realms. In fact, they have written over their original code dozens of times already and have no way or desire to revert back to a classic/TBC setting.

    Source: Blizzard's Stance on Classic Realms

  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by Notos View Post
    I'm curious as to what you found so fascinating that keeps you playing. I have rolled on private servers in the past (1.12, 2.4), and once the initial nostalgia wears off I get bored and go back to live. It just reminded me how far the game has come from the god-awful, gouge-my-eyes-out experience of leveling a prot warrior in vanilla.
    Well I guess I'm still leveling (@35) so I can't really say. Perhaps once I reach max level I may get bored or maybe lol up a horde toon since I'm on alliance. All I know is that live wow is unbearable and the 1.12 servers are so much fun. Maybe it's just the nostalgia. But I have always not liked the direction wow has gone in other than UI improvements and and the introduction of DR in pvp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki504 View Post
    op why not play on a vanilla private server. i'm 100% sure you won't like it one bit. all you did was revert things to save time.
    and alot of people have problem with MoP being not alt friendly because everyting takes times. there just things YOU like not what alot of people like.
    That's what I did and it's awesome. A 1x 1.12 server And will never play live again. I forgot wow used to be fun. Wow is complete garbage now. Expect less and less players. Game is dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Yep. You aren't the kid you were when you started wow. You can't go back. Move on.
    lol... you and I are in agreement on this (and I was agreeing with you when I made my post), nothing to 'move on'... I didnt start playing Wow until I was in my 40s.

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  14. #394
    Saw the word "immersion" went directly to here to call the OP a deluded idiot for wanting to whinge about flying mounts/lfx/whatever the hot topic "back in my day" nostalgia blindness is this week/ Pandaland has ruined a lot of things- but your problems are almost certainly in your head, and not whatever idiot fixes you have suggested
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  15. #395
    Yup, immersion is the big issue here. The game looks shallow, doesn't have a soul anymore.

    I'm a casual, but I support FULLY ALL of your proposals. Sure I was a casual when I started in vanilla and I was having tons of fun.
    I think people are getting stuck with this notion of casuals and hardcore players but that means JACK SHIT.
    There are active players and lazy players. Both casual and hardcore.

    You need to get to the other part of the world for a dungeon? Fuck it, up your saddle and go. 15 minutes ain't goin to kill you.
    You have limited time? So do I but guess what, the game is better this way so suck it up and ride to the dungeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FragmentedFaith View Post
    Saw the word "immersion" went directly to here to call the OP a deluded idiot for wanting to whinge about flying mounts/lfx/whatever the hot topic "back in my day" nostalgia blindness is this week/ Pandaland has ruined a lot of things- but your problems are almost certainly in your head, and not whatever idiot fixes you have suggested
    1.3 million peoe this quarter thinks differently it seems. Maybe the "problem" is the "lack of problems" that's in your head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    I'm a casual, but I support FULLY ALL of your proposals. Sure I was a casual when I started in vanilla and I was having tons of fun.
    Apparently, some people like to inflict pain to themselves... -_-

    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    You need to get to the other part of the world for a dungeon? Fuck it, up your saddle and go. 15 minutes ain't goin to kill you.
    You have limited time? So do I but guess what, the game is better this way so suck it up and ride to the dungeon.
    How about you assemble your groups by hand and ride to the dungeon? You still can, you know, no one forces you to use LFD.

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  17. #397
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomana View Post
    Apparently, some people like to inflict pain to themselves... -_-


    How about you assemble your groups by hand and ride to the dungeon? You still can, you know, no one forces you to use LFD.
    I would if any if my old friend still played.

  18. #398
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    Nothing better then making grps in trade and being social, as we so offen use as a argument when ppl ask how we can play that game so much. Not just push a button and wait.(i guess "new" ppl to this game dont know what i mean, as the social part of the game has been removed, from a casual players point of view(LFR,LFD))

    Walking/riding to a dungeon/raid is also fun, it gives you a world-like feeling, like you have to travle from A to B.

    Attunments and keys are a good way to make sure that the ppl you got in your grp is half way up for the task as they did put some effort in to obtain this.

  19. #399
    While I agree with a lot of it, it will just shun casuals and newcomers away, which isn't good. Also nearly every change is mostly a world PvP influence, which would be shit in its current state considering PvP is worse than ever and will continue to decline each patch.

    Even then that isn't nearly a fraction of the problems this game already has, some already irreparable.

  20. #400
    Honestly , the games the best its ever been for me, bc and vanilla were fun cause I had all day to play but thinking back majority of that time I was sitting in if not doing anything waiting for a five man. Now I can raid when I want or do dailies, pvp or scenario with fairly low queue compared to vanilla back then id wait an hour or more to find a pug scenario five mins. Not everyone has 8 hrs to play wow these days the game evolved for the better move on if you cant take it.

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