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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    because everyone cares enough to become one right?
    and not everyone cares enough to be a heroic raider. They need content tuned appropriately enough for not only their skill lvl capacity but their willingness to invest in care.

    I'm glad you understand now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    Because they don't want it to require skill? Did you not get that part?

    Anyway, I'm glad I could clear that up for you, please let me know what other simple concepts you are struggling with.
    If people want to do content that a nut-less monkey can do then...um..LFR!!!! Do you understand that part?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    unless your physicslly or mentally handicapped, anyone can get the needed skill. They just dont care to. If they cared enough they would be learning to raid instead of complaining
    We have already established that they don't care to. T H E Y - D O N T - C A R E - T O - G E T - T H E - S K I L L - T O - R A I D - A T - T H E - S A M E - L E V E L - A S - Y O U. They care enough to play at the skill and effort level that they want to put forth.

    I slowed that down, hope it helped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Really, people complained raiding was too hard, so Blizz gave them LFR
    Now that they have LFR they complain normal is too hard? Really?
    No, some people complained that they didn't have the schedule required to raid. LFR was was made for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom51 View Post
    Because there is no engaging content aimed towards them. LFR has no sense of progression, no social interaction, and no sense of community. The only thing there is left for bad players, is a grind.

    And sure enough, bad players are quitting in droves.
    Exactly what 'engaging content' was aimed towards them when this game was on an upswing sub-wise? Raiding has always been a minority activity when you look at the entire population. Everything else that was in the game still exists, and more (and all of it is easier than ever).

    And you have absolutely no data on the skill level of the folks who left, or why they left for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    You people have a bizarre and fantastic world view. Not everybody can get the needed skill. If that were the case in the real world we'd all be doctors and lawyers and such.
    Some people are unable to brush their own teeth. Some people will always be excluded. It simply depends on where you place the "cutoff". It is also fairly arguable that the level of skill required to become a doctor is far beyond that of being able to raid the normal modes. I don't see it as a very good comparison, unless the purpose was to simply demonstrate the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    and not everyone cares enough to be a heroic raider.
    we are talking bout normal raiding here
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    If people want to do content that a nut-less monkey can do then...um..LFR!!!! Do you understand that part?
    Dude, people are not going to be satisfied with LFR just because you scream that they should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    I'm not sure that's true at all.

    Then again, we're discussing raiding, which only a minority of players even gives a shit about to begin with.
    In Wrath, there were 90k 10 man guilds and 60k 25 man guilds raiding. This was also the glory days of pugging. Also note that after wrath, when the game started becoming harder, the population started to steadily fall. Now with ToT, which is arguably the least forgiving normal mode raid ever, WoW loses 1.3 million subs. I don't think its a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    And you have absolutely no data on the skill level of the folks who left, or why they left for that matter.
    Except for Blizzard's shareholder press release saying casuals are the ones quitting, and blizzard tends to use casual as a synonym for bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keoren View Post
    Some people are unable to brush their own teeth. Some people will always be excluded. It simply depends on where you place the "cutoff". It is also fairly arguable that the level of skill required to become a doctor is far beyond that of being able to raid the normal modes, so I don't see it as a very good comparison.
    Please don't insult my intelligence. This constant attempt by some people to reduce arguments to absurdities is foolish in the extreme and frankly tired. The best part is that were actually asking for content HARDER than lfr and all we get from players is NO WHY YOU WANT TO DUMB MY GAME DOWN. It's a very good comparison but any comparison if you stretch it to it's extreme it naturally shows some wear and tear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Dude, people are not going to be satisfied with LFR just because you scream that they should.
    and they are going to be satisfied with normal raiding?
    Maybe you havent noticed but its the same exact raid/enviorment/and bosses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and they are going to be satisfied with normal raiding?
    Maybe you havent noticed but its the same exact raid/enviorment/and bosses
    Minus the sense of progression, the sense of community, and social interaction.

    For bad players, WoW has turned into a solo game.

    By the way, using your logic, heroic raider that have been satisfied with recent heroics should also be satisfied with LFR. Its the same raid/environment/bosses, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    No I compared the limits of players ability to aquire "skill" to perform a task. Some people will just never be doctors. Some people will just never be world professional wrestlers. Raiding has nothing to do with that. It's far more apt then you compairing logging and lvling to the skill required to raid. That's an even BIGGER gap I mean are you kidding. I mean I know people who lvld click to play diablo style. Raiding is not simple relative to logging in or lvling and if you think it is I doubt that you play this game.
    Your comparison is beyond horrible because no WoW player with a lvl90 char is unable to do a normal raid.That's how easy they are.They require no special skills,of any kind,nor do they require hard work,of any kind so again your comparison is horrible.

    So far you talk but you can't manage to give practical examples,what makes raiding so different that you'd need more skill then just be able to lvl your character to max level?
    People who have leveled to 90 understand the basics of a rotation and the concept of fighting bosses,they surely did a few dungeons on the way.
    A rotation can easily be improved by reading the damn skills and with the help of some veteran in the guild.
    What's needed more for raiding?A working ear/brain to listen to your raid leader who tells you when you have to use cooldowns or when you to move to a certain point.
    Understanding the concept of time for the timings,I don't think that's too hard.
    So far if you posses average intelligence and some kind of gaming experience (hello leveling-to-90-process) you can raid.

    Now talk what's so fkin difficult about this that some people don't have the ''skill'?
    Last edited by ZRebellion; 2013-05-11 at 03:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and they are going to be satisfied with normal raiding?
    Maybe you havent noticed but its the same exact raid/enviorment/and bosses
    Please go back and think about what you just wrote. Identify the error and get back to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and they are going to be satisfied with normal raiding?
    Maybe you havent noticed but its the same exact raid/enviorment/and bosses
    Were you? Did you just stay in normals or did you go to heroics? What happened? it's the same exact raid/environment and bosses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    The best part is that were actually asking for content HARDER than lfr .
    content that already exists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    We have already established that they don't care to. T H E Y - D O N T - C A R E - T O - G E T - T H E - S K I L L - T O - R A I D - A T - T H E - S A M E - L E V E L - A S - Y O U. They care enough to play at the skill and effort level that they want to put forth.
    So again, whats the problem? That all guilds won't get 12/12 in ToT before the next tier drops? Do you honestly think this is something new? Do you think every guild out there finished Ulduar before ToC showed up? Or finished LK before the holdover tier (or even Cata) started, cleared FL before DS? No.

    Play to your capacity, and if you want to get better and go further, do so. If you don't care to, then don't. There isn't a decent video game on the planet where this doesn't hold true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    Your comparison is beyond horrible because no WoW player with a lvl90 char is unable to do a normal raid.That's how easy they are.They require no special skills,of any kind,nor do they require hard work,of any kind so again your comparison is horrible.

    So far you talk but you can't manage to give practical examples,what makes raiding so different that you'd need more skill then just be able to lvl your character to max level?
    People who have leveled to 90 understand the basics of a rotation and the concept of fighting bosses,they surely did a few dungeons on the way.
    A rotation can easily be improved by reading the damn skills and with the help of some veteran in the guild.
    What's needed more for raiding?A working ear/brain to listen to your raid leader who tells you when you have to use cooldowns or when you to move to a certain point.
    Understanding the concept of time for the timings,I don't think that's too hard.
    So far if you posses average intelligence and some kind of gaming experience (hello leveling-to-90-process) you can raid?

    Now talk what's so fkin difficult about this that some people don't have the ''skill'?
    YES THEY ARE. That's the fucking point. In fact in addition to that THEY ARE ALSO SIMPLE DON"t HAVE THE STOMACH FOR IT. Now you want a list of what exactly they can't accomplish? Well I posted it earlier but this guys thread on the official forums explains their difficulties and failings in better detail.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...46?page=13#246

    Educate yourself. I'm tired of fucking doing it.

    Ultimately it doesn't really matter though, all you need to know is that they can't and the aren't by and large and the developers are already talking about addressing this.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom51 View Post
    For bad players, WoW has turned into a solo game.
    do they have the capability for anything else?
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    content that already exists...
    You really are stuck on stupid, aren't you? There's no arguing with a person so intent on deliberately missing the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    So again, whats the problem? That all guilds won't get 12/12 in ToT before the next tier drops? Do you honestly think this is something new? Do you think every guild out there finished Ulduar before ToC showed up? Or finished LK before the holdover tier (or even Cata) started, cleared FL before DS? No.

    Play to your capacity, and if you want to get better and go further, do so. If you don't care to, then don't. There isn't a decent video game on the planet where this doesn't hold true.
    The problem is that they fail at raiding and then they quit, no they don't improve, quit.

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