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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeakanice View Post
    Is this the norm for muslims in the UK? Or are these just jerkoff making the rest look bad?
    This is the norm for muslims all over europe. This is one of the reasons i would love to move to USA, since they dont take shit like this lying down.
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    This is one case where I think it would be fair to say - take your family and fuck off to where you're from.

    Also (as always) people are confusing race with religion: you can't be racist towards a religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboA View Post
    This is the norm for muslims all over europe. This is one of the reasons i would love to move to USA, since they dont take shit like this lying down.
    No, this is not normal muslim behaviour. I'm going to assume you don't know many muslims either through choice or just there aren't many in your area. This is a tiny minority. Most muslims are embarrassed by these peoples behaviours. The majority of muslims are just like you and me except they hate pigs and worship in the direction of the Kaaba in Masjid al-Haram (that black cube thing in Mecca). Please don't be so ignorant in a public location, it's embarrassing. The only "crime" islam has commited by the majority of them is tearing down about ~95% of Saudi's 1000 year old plus buildings because the national branch of islam is against them becoming idols and therefore worshipping a false god. Which I find a little bit ironic considering the Kaaba but I'm no expert on islam...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    No, this is not normal muslim behaviour. I'm going to assume you don't know many muslims either through choice or just there aren't many in your area. This is a tiny minority. Most muslims are embarrassed by these peoples behaviours. The majority of muslims are just like you and me except they hate pigs and worship in the direction of the Kaaba in Masjid al-Haram (that black cube thing in Mecca). Please don't be so ignorant in a public location, it's embarrassing. The only "crime" islam has commited by the majority of them is tearing down about ~95% of Saudi's 1000 year old plus buildings because the national branch of islam is against them becoming idols and therefore worshipping a false god. Which I find a little bit ironic considering the Kaaba but I'm no expert on islam...
    I agree, muslims are not the problem, extremists are, I hate the EDL just as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    As a Dutch person myself I can honestly say you are talking bullshit.
    Hello Mr.Leftist or should I call you Apologist instead? You are on purpose only naming those occurence against Muslims and not those commited by them, which are extremly widespread. One of the biggest problem is that they are usually filled under normal "violence" or "crimes" instead of being labeled as what they are. Also you are ignoring how the murder of Theo Van Gogh sparked the reaction.

    Why is it when they do something that spark a similar violent reaction it is proof for racism and discrimination against them and their initial behavior is excusable when on the other hand ANYTHING "done to them" even so much as drawing a caricature is a grave sacrilege and needs to be condemned.
    And that happened while statistics show us that Muslims in my country condemn the use of violence.
    I'd like to see that statistic if just to read up on what exactly was asked and who twisted it to serve their purpose.
    The situation in the Netherlands is getting out of hand.
    Not because Muslims are violent, but because "moderate" citizens who oppose the Islam are actually calling for civil war.
    Again, you're messing up action and reaction. This is an occurence that isn't just happening in the Netherlands but also Britain, France, Germany, Denmark and a lot of other places. For decades we had situation in which so much as criticizing these people would spell social death for the person doing so. A situation in which crimes went through the roof, in which fundamentalistic islamic groups (who are the ones to call the shots in the islamic community) have sprung up all over the place, a situation in which they attack European culture, democracy and values on a daily basis and violent attacks on people have become the norm.

    So please don't try to sell me the reaction that is slowly but surely manifesting all over Europe and the anger that has build up in people as the root of the problem when it is just the result.


    Some girl from my old school, a girl I only briefly met for example did not want to adherr to her families values and beliefs. She instead choose to adapt a western life style. The tension grew so bad that she eventually moved out from her parents house and in with her family. As a reward for that she was knifed down by her own brother. One would expect her family to be appaled and horrified, right? Instead they threw insults and threats at the judge eventually bullying her into dropping the case and forcing another judge to take over when they started to stalk her and once tried to assault her for daring to even put the brother before court.

    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    No, this is not normal muslim behaviour. I'm going to assume you don't know many muslims either through choice or just there aren't many in your area. This is a tiny minority. Most muslims are embarrassed by these peoples behaviours. The majority of muslims are just like you and me except they hate pigs and worship in the direction of the Kaaba in Masjid al-Haram (that black cube thing in Mecca). Please don't be so ignorant in a public location, it's embarrassing. The only "crime" islam has commited by the majority of them is tearing down about ~95% of Saudi's 1000 year old plus buildings because the national branch of islam is against them becoming idols and therefore worshipping a false god. Which I find a little bit ironic considering the Kaaba but I'm no expert on islam...
    You really should read the Quran and brush up on your history. The Islam has commited a great many atrocities over the course of history and destroying some buildings is one of the smaller ones. And I am actually convinced you either don't know many muslims yourself or are not really objective at all.

    I've grown up in a city where about 40-50% of the youth by now is made up of muslims and had constant contact with them during the entire time. I have been threatened by some guy I once considered a friend with a knife because I dared to kiss his sister (she wanted it, not so much that he found out though). I've seen them celebrating in the streets and cheering when 9/11 happened. I actually talk to them and they are pretty open about their future goals and believes. Hell quite a few of them tried to convert me to their cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboA View Post
    This is the norm for muslims all over europe. This is one of the reasons i would love to move to USA, since they dont take shit like this lying down.
    That's absolute rubbish and you know it, this behaviour isn't the norm at all.

    It's pretty ignorant of you to say it's the norm across all of Europe when at best you've probably only visited a few countries in Europe.

    I've encountered many Muslims here in the UK and never encountered one who preaches these type of messages, I only find that online or on television shows like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboA View Post
    This is the norm for muslims all over europe. This is one of the reasons i would love to move to USA, since they dont take shit like this lying down.
    I would say the norm of 40%
    That's still is an insanly huge number.
    What do we get in return for helping them "With Arms Wide Open, We welcome them, We help them" And in return... They want us to burn in hell. Just because we do not share a belief.
    What purpose does it serve us to introduce sharia laws? Well Absolutely nothing at all!
    Not long ago a man said that Norwegian ladies who dresses in skirts "They ask for it, that's why they need to be raped"

    Say what now? really?
    Uhm yeah Really, he also stated that their (Priest) i cant remember what they are called in a mosque, said that raping a girl who will not submit to islam law deserves to be raped and humiliated until she converts. But if the said girl converts she shall be punished by sharia laws and sentenced to death???!

    Freedom of speech is great, but there sure as hell must be a line u should not be available to cross...
    And this is by far crossing the line by thousands of yards.

    I will not allow annyone to say that what i said is racist because it isn't it's quoting really..
    I respect Religious beliefs. But i do not respect harassment of those who will not submit to a religion... Sadly European governments do...

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    Im not bring funny, but this seems to be an english thing, not a UK problem, i live in scotland, go to uni with muslims, lived in a muslim area, and i have never seen anything extreme, when im walking home at night im looking over my shoulder for junkie white chavs, not muslims
    but the english are inherently racist and have some sort of entitlement complex so it doesnt surprise me they have trouble with minorities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deleth View Post
    You really should read the Quran and brush up on your history. The Islam has commited a great many atrocities over the course of history and destroying some buildings is one of the smaller ones. And I am actually convinced you either don't know many muslims yourself or are not really objective at all.

    I've grown up in a city where about 40-50% of the youth by now is made up of muslims and had constant contact with them during the entire time. I have been threatened by some guy I once considered a friend with a knife because I dared to kiss his sister (she wanted it, not so much that he found out though). I've seen them celebrating in the streets and cheering when 9/11 happened. I actually talk to them and they are pretty open about their future goals and believes. Hell quite a few of them tried to convert me to their cause.
    One guy threatens to stab you and one towns worth of muslims (if that) cheer at a terrorist act and suddenly all muslims are spiteful people who want nothing more than death to the west?

    Yeah. I advise you read the Quran actually. The first half makes the bible look like a violent book. The ayatollahs announcing that later texts take precedence over earlier ones is what caused the idea of violence in those who've not looked past the surface. I've been threatened at knifepoint too, I didn't suddenly decide that everyone in a hoodie with a bald head was a knife wielding maniac. Neither when I saw people celebrating Margaret Thatchers death decide that a good chunk of the UK revelled in death.

    And complaining about "converting to the cause" - lets look at christianity, where one of the main goals is to convert others to believe. It's not confined to just islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deleth View Post
    Hello Mr.Leftist or should I call you Apologist instead?
    No, you can call me Kangodo.
    You are on purpose only naming those occurence against Muslims and not those commited by them, which are extremly widespread.
    Then link them?
    I'd like to see that statistic if just to read up on what exactly was asked and who twisted it to serve their purpose.
    Some examples:
    http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/1231589/ze...fvalligen.html
    http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf
    http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/97892/kl...eid-tot-geweld

    All statistics show the same thing: People condomn the use of violence.

    Again, you're messing up action and reaction. This is an occurence that isn't just happening in the Netherlands but also Britain, France, Germany, Denmark and a lot of other places. For decades we had situation in which so much as criticizing these people would spell social death for the person doing so. A situation in which crimes went through the roof, in which fundamentalistic islamic groups (who are the ones to call the shots in the islamic community) have sprung up all over the place, a situation in which they attack European culture, democracy and values on a daily basis and violent attacks on people have become the norm.
    Ooh wow, you are out of reach for any professional help it seems.

    Some girl from my old school, a girl I only briefly met for example did not want to adherr to her families values and beliefs. She instead choose to adapt a western life style. The tension grew so bad that she eventually moved out from her parents house and in with her family. As a reward for that she was knifed down by her own brother. One would expect her family to be appaled and horrified, right? Instead they threw insults and threats at the judge eventually bullying her into dropping the case and forcing another judge to take over when they started to stalk her and once tried to assault her for daring to even put the brother before court.
    So? I don't give a shit about your, probably made up, story.
    As statistics prove most Muslims are against that kind of behaviour.

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    Deport the lot of them, let them protest in Pakistan or Iraq.
    Aren't they legal residents there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagoroth23 View Post
    Just because you or others don't believe in Hell, it doesn't mean that its not there. Wake up
    Threatening a atheist with hell is like threatening a Christian with Mordor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    So? I don't give a shit about your, probably made up, story.
    As statistics prove most Muslims are against that kind of behaviour.
    http://www.dw.de/europe-grapples-wit...ings/a-1244406

    Honor killings," as the phenomenon is known, usually involve women being murdered, usually by brothers and fathers, for having sex outside marriage, dating, refusing an arranged marriage, wanting to go to university or even having been raped. The practice is not uncommon in traditional, male-dominated Arab societies.
    You may not care, but honor killings are extremely wide spread. Just like rapes of non-believer women.

    Lack of awareness and statistics
    Though experts say that honor killings are on the rise in Europe, the problem is hobbled by a lack of awareness, mainly because the issue remains largely hidden from public view.
    In 2000, the United Nations estimated that around 5,000 girls and women in at least 14 countries, among them Pakistan, Jordan and Turkey, were killed yearly because their families felt they brought dishonor on them.
    But statistics in Europe are hard to come by given the fact that some honor-related crimes are recorded as simple murders or domestic violence.
    People who ignore this are enabling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laize View Post
    Aren't they legal residents there?
    Yes, but most of them were not born here, they come here mostly as asylum seekers. We give them shelter and they do this.....

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    It's the vocal minority amongst them, people. That ALWAYS happens with any group.

    In this case, said minority is annoyingly loud, and any controversy it creates ends up being in their favor. And they know it.
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    Freedom of speech allows them to protest, but not violence. The moment they resort to violence I'll be right behind you on the "deport them".

    But, my freedom of speech also allows me to ridicule & condemn these people. And should the situation arise, that a member of these extremists actually want to have a civil discussion I'd be happy to oblige them.
    To declare that a personal, inner experience gives certainty about the workings of the universe is to assign far too much value to one’s subjective sense of conviction.
    I’m not that arrogant.

    The brain, marvelous instrument though it is, isn’t infallible. It can misfire, seize or hallucinate, and it can do so in a way that’s utterly indistinguishable from reality to the person experiencing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeakanice View Post
    Is this the norm for muslims in the UK? Or are these just jerkoff making the rest look bad?

    no, as with every group there are extremes, but these people move here (and to other european countries) just to protest. there are plenty of muslims living happily in the UK and europe.
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    Your "but it does happen!" has nothing against my "most Muslims are against it".

    Most people are against child abuse, but that still happens.
    Does that somehow prove that people enjoy it all of the sudden?
    You may not care, but honor killings are extremely wide spread. Just like rapes of non-believer women.
    Doesn't change the fact (you do know what facts are, right?) that most Muslims are against honor killing or the mistreat of non-believing people.
    People who ignore this are enabling it.
    That doesn't even make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboA View Post
    This is the norm for muslims all over europe. This is one of the reasons i would love to move to USA, since they dont take shit like this lying down.

    no its not. i work with quite a few muslims, none of them have ever called for death upon the west. its really not the norm, there are extremeists as with most groups, this one is just loud and get more media coverage
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Yes, but most of them were not born here, they come here mostly as asylum seekers. We give them shelter and they do this.....
    Isn't separation of church and state enshrined in your Constitution?

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