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  1. #101
    I'll keep posting this until people get the fucking point

    Israel
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    WoW
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    May 8th, 2013

    So, WoW has more players subscribed than the entire country of Isreals population, After 8 years. What now?

    You all fail to underestimate the POWER of 8.3 Million people still paying 15$ a month. not to mention character transfers,name changes,race changes,faction changes.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by NigelGurney View Post
    Well perhaps if I actually said anything to that effect you'd have a point, but as I didn't, you don't.
    Oh I might have misunderstood the tone of one of your posts then. If that is the case, I apologise.

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    The reason why WoW is losing subs is because of the people, not the game. Make all the excuses you want, you only have yourselves to blame for whatever you choose to 'not enjoy' or when you choose to 'miss the old times'. You should all quit while you're ahead!

    Let the game grow, or die with it.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcor View Post
    I'll keep posting this until people get the fucking point

    Israel
    8,012,400
    March 31, 2013

    WoW
    8,300,000
    May 8th, 2013

    So, WoW has more players subscribed than the entire country of Isreals population, After 8 years. What now?

    You all fail to underestimate the POWER of 8.3 Million people still paying 15$ a month. not to mention character transfers,name changes,race changes,faction changes.
    What does that, like, even mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    What does that, like, even mean?
    If you have to ask, you can't afford the wisdom.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    What does that, like, even mean?
    If you had a brain you could easily see what I'm saying.

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  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcor View Post
    If you had a brain you could easily see what I'm saying.
    If Israel lost 10% of its population in 3 months they'd be going crazy what the hell you on about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenko View Post
    If you have to ask, you can't afford the wisdom.
    Oh I'll write this down, together with your previous gem

    "Hey it's YOUR fault if you don't like pet battles and farming. Quick GO like them or leave the game!!"
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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    If Israel lost 10% of its population in 3 months they'd be going crazy what the hell you on about.
    So again you still don't get what I'm saying, It's okay. Don't stress yourself. It'll click eventually

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Malcor View Post
    So again you still don't get what I'm saying, It's okay. Don't stress yourself. It'll click eventually
    Can't wait. Till then ill keep laughing at it. Sorry can't help it.

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    Lets not talk on blizz's last attempt to do that... Early cata. When cata first launched, iirc many considered t11 to be very hard and even heroics were, so blizz had to dumb down and nerf the game a little due to casuals and after that the top raiders and people who wanted a challenge asked why the game was too easy... It's hard to make both kinds of costumers happy right now, and casuals are more than the hardcore so blizz would be losing subs faster. I'm guessing if they didnt start to make the game easy in Wrath, we would've kept the same kind of players and less casuals but its too late right now.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by enchanted View Post
    Lets not talk on blizz's last attempt to do that... Early cata. When cata first launched, iirc many considered t11 to be very hard and even heroics were, so blizz had to dumb down and nerf the game a little due to casuals and after that the top raiders and people who wanted a challenge asked why the game was too easy... It's hard to make both kinds of costumers happy right now, and casuals are more than the hardcore so blizz would be losing subs faster. I'm guessing if they didnt start to make the game easy in Wrath, we would've kept the same kind of players and less casuals but its too late right now.
    The hardcore guilds were all using broken mechanics to down heroic content, Heck, they even took it a step further and did it during DS LFR, so to listen to them QQ is kinda silly.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    If Israel lost 10% of its population in 3 months they'd be going crazy what the hell you on about.
    Umm this is kinda funny, can you even comprehend what he is saying?
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Umm this is kinda funny, can you even comprehend what he is saying?
    No. Enlighten me please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenko View Post
    I hope we lose another few million subs. Would make Blizz churn out even better quality content.
    That's what I use to think during Cataclysm, then they released MoP and Diablo 3. So yeah....that kind of speaks for itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullmetal89 View Post
    That's what I use to think during Cataclysm, then they released MoP and Diablo 3. So yeah....that kind of speaks for itself.
    The world of Warcraft is like the titanic when it first hit the iceberg, everyone is shocked after the impact and still panicking before they figure out the ship is sinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axehandle View Post
    In his defense he did mention 2 critical things wow has lost because of impatient, fussy gamers and that's immersion and the social aspect. I agree wow is not a job and should never be approached as one except by those earning money from playing it.

    Return to the immersion (probably not possible) and make it a social experience again (much more possible) and this game will resemble what it once was when sub losses were but a thought and not a harsh reality since mid way through wrath.
    No and no. I play since Vanilla almost non stop and MoP has been the most immersive lore wise expantion ever. No other content made me actually care for what's happening. As for social aspect I experience much better social interaction outside of guild than I ever did in Vanilla or TBC. People actually start to be more layed back because the game puts less preasure on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodge94 View Post
    Wow, been reading this argument since both sides were bringing up valid points but wow...

    Just because someone had a different experience to you, that doesn't make them "small minded" or someone to look down upon, if you can't get immersed in the game the same way someone can get immersed into a book (I didn't find the story in WoW very immersive, but the game world and interacting with players - Horde and Alliance - made it for me) then that's your "problem" and it looks extremely petty to go throwing insults around to people that disagree with you.

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    I have a lot of respect for you, keeping up a job and household in these times I can imagine is hard (I'm a student) - But I can't help but disagree with you partially...

    I agree, players should have the chance to -see- all the content, otherwise it's like buying a book that you have to read the first chapters over and over again before you're allowed to know the end. However MMOs are designed to be time sinks, if "casuals" (I really detest that word) are "catered to" you get the Cataclysm scenario where majority (based on my server) of players have nothing to do, but "casuals" are content.
    First off, thank you for your kind comments

    I have to read over my first post again, but what you're saying is what I've been trying to say for quite a while now. There isn't a single, specific player base that should be catered to. This expansion was not very "casual" friendly (I'm not a big fan of that word, just like I hate using the word assault rifle lol), but it was absolutely a step up from Cataclysm. I did enjoy Cataclysm, as a whole, but the time lapses in between content, the fluctuation of difficulties in content, along with a general empty feeling throughout the expansion definitely put a damper on things for me. Mists definitely rebounded, but overshot it by just a smidge. There should be a pretty distinct balance in content that allows all players to have access to the content, but has aspects that are geared more towards the hardcore players, and aspects that are geared more towards the casual player. It seems like the whole daily debacle was an attempt to appeal to the more casual playerbase, but it ended up becoming a HUGE time sink, one that's more suited for players with a little more time on their hands.

    It's a hard balance to make everyone content, and ofcourse there will always be those who find something wrong in everything they do, but I'm really hoping that the next expansion will finally strike a balance between the 2 playstyles since, like I said, they only overshot it this expansion by a tiny bit. 5.1 and 5.2, both with the catch-up features and dailies that didn't bar you from progression, are a pretty good examples, and a pretty good example, that the balance is possible and highly doable.

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    Can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for my guildmates, friends and myself. We all quit because of dailies. We were casual and didn't have time to play every single day, most of us played two nights, some just one day on the weekend. During cata we would at least get points that we could spend freely without also having a reputation gate as well. In mop we needed dungeon RNG luck or we didn;t get shit.
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  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
    No and no. I play since Vanilla almost non stop and MoP has been the most immersive lore wise expantion ever. No other content made me actually care for what's happening. As for social aspect I experience much better social interaction outside of guild than I ever did in Vanilla or TBC. People actually start to be more layed back because the game puts less preasure on them.
    Completely delusional.
    In vanilla people didn't have flying mounts,they barely had ground mounts,the world was smaller,people were forced to constantly ran into each other,not to mention the high difficulty of group quests that forced people to work together,the absence of LFD tool that forced people to group together,the 40-man raids compared to the nowadays 10-mans and barely surviving 25-mans....and you're gonna come here and claim the game is better socially today?

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