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  1. #381
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyteyes View Post
    They still have over 8 million subscribers, no reason for them to move to free to play when they still make money off of it.
    This may be certainly true... Yet since Blizz became part of Activision the game lost well over 3 million subs...

    What many in here forget is that Blizzard isn't as independent as they once were when the game started. When the mothership demands changes, the changes will be made... When Activision says, we go f2p now, then the game will be f2p.
    To wait for such transition until the subs are totally declining to 4, 5 or 6 mio. is madness from a business view. At that point the reputation is so far negative that a switch to f2p wouldn't do much to save the day anymore.

    And to the people who come in here to add their 2 cents.... STOP bringing up business calculations if you fail miserably at the basic math...
    It is NOT 8.3 mio x $15.00.
    WoW doesn't cost 15 bucks for everyone. The median figure for WoW is a lot lower per player.
    Not only don't all NA players pay $15.00.... Most pay either $14 or just $13.
    There's also a world outside NA which has millions of players that pay in different currencies, which again doesn't add up to everyone paying $15.00
    And btw.. If you happen to pay your sub via credit card, Blizzard can kiss a certain amount of the sum you pay goodbye to the merchant bank etc.
    CC transactions are not free. At least 3% of the monetary amount moved goes to financial institutes involved, and Blizzard pays that, not the customer. Some apparently have no clue about the mechanisms behind card payments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stellvia View Post
    My point was that the "infrastructure for 12 million players" isn't nearly as massive as you make it out to be. At the 12M peak, 50% of WoW accounts were in Asia ran by 3rd party companies.
    Holy fucking citation needed.
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    The guy in the movie has NO clue. He thinks the game lost 1,3million within 1 year, when it was in 3 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Think about how screwed up that sounds. you are literally asking players to folk out more money for every bit of new content, or your have nothing to play, so what then is the point of removing sub fees, if your still paying for new stuff as it comes out. And YES, the developers will gouge players for any new content they bring out, new mounts, new dungeons, new pets, new abilities, new classes, new races, all of it.
    gouging the playerbase with products that should come with the game is BS. If you just sell the game as a stand alone mmo, like guild wars, then its without reason.
    This is why I prefer a monthly fee. I hate that feeling of being nickel and dimed to death. I don't want to be taken out of immersion in the game to constantly have that specter behind me about what I want to spend on the game this month. Or what content I don't have access to.

    Don't even get me started on gameplay intentionally being sabotaged to get you to buy stuff on the store.

    IE: Eden Eternal is a F2P that makes the game miserable unless you pay money on the item store. And even then it only makes it slightly less miserable. 6hrs to collect materials for an item combine -- 40% success rate or everything is destroyed. Paying $3 gets you 1 item to improve your combine chance by 15% ... so still 45% chance to fail and destroy everything. And the UI and gameplay and menus and stuff are sloppily done, no thought put into the flow of them etc.

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    I love seeing titan being brought up like its their save all end all best fkn thing ever creation. I personally hope if falls flat on its face from being OVER HYPED... like every other game in the past 5 years. They cant even fix issues with their old ass game now they built from the ground up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
    Holy fucking citation needed.
    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=17062
    That was the situation in 2008.. Asia outnumbered the rest of the world right there. The balance has never changed ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
    Holy fucking citation needed.
    This isn't debate club, it's widely known info for many years now. If you want the info Google it. I have no reason to lie to strangers on the internet to win an argument about a video game where you fight internet dragons.

    EDIT: 10 seconds in Google: http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png

    Blizzard only directly maintains NA and EU servers. Half of the total when it was 12M. And I explained how CRZ load-balancing dramatically lowers hardware requirements.

  8. #388
    I think if WoW goes F2P it will easily have 50m+ active players

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    Quote Originally Posted by tru View Post
    I love seeing titan being brought up like its their save all end all best fkn thing ever creation. I personally hope if falls flat on its face from being OVER HYPED... like every other game in the past 5 years. They cant even fix issues with their old ass game now they built from the ground up.
    The key difference here is it's being "overhyped" completely by the players. Blizzard has been just about as tight-lipped about an in development project as one can be. We know almost nothing about it. They aren't marketing it. They aren't hyping it. It just exists.

    How is that their fault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    You seem to have a short memory.

    "Blizzard executives have stated that they expect that sub numbers will fall even lower than what they currently are by the end of the year"

    So to have some delusional sense that the game will stay at 8 million is quite comical.
    Doesn't matter, f2p wouldn't happen until at least 1-2 million. So to have some delusional sense that a drop of 6 million will happen in 7 months is comical.

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    So, let's say they did. Where is the money going to come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    I think if WoW goes F2P it will easily have 50m+ active players
    This can be very true, given the games cult status around the globe.
    Everyone who plays any computer or online games at least knows the games name.
    F2P would end up in large amounts of players who throttle around for literally free, and then it would vary greatly. Resulting in many paying less than now, others may end up paying more than now. Given the self entitlement culture the game has developed, the "hardcore" vs "casual" debate would be settled once and for all. The hardcore has it's top tier content, IF they rake out more dough for it. The casual players who aren't interested in top end challenges would certainly not pay for that content part.
    The final winner may very well be Blizzard with more revenue than the subs ever made them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    So, let's say they did. Where is the money going to come from?
    Micro transactions...
    You wanna run dungeons? you pay for the access...... you wanna run them on heroic? you pay for access.
    you wanna raid? you pay for access.. you wanna raid hardcore heroic? you guessed it... pay time..
    You wanna level faster? pay time.
    The list can be endless on micro transactions.
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  13. #393
    the huge sub loss was in the asian market, this has occurred before starting in WOTLK due to mostly PVP imbal. it is not the other F2P games that are denting WOW in that part of the world. asians actions concerning WOW have basicly said more than once they are not putting up with the issues (content/PVP) that need to be dealt with that others (insert countries) complain about, and nothing is done.

    asian markets proved that even WOW's pokemon attempt would not hold them, along with grinding achieves, or other filler till content

    if we followed their actions, and quit threatening to canx subs and do it, imo blizz would listen, even though i'm sure they are going WTF right now

    blizz has blue posted in the past concerning going to a different type premium F2P systems 1 or 2 blizzcons ago

    saying all that now, i do not think it will go total F2P, but i was surprized when WOTLK was added so quickly into WOW basic game package which occured pretty much at the beginning of MOP. where as they took along time to make BC part of basic WOW

    CRZ helped but still hasn't addressed extreme low pop servers which causes severe struggling to get things done due to poor economies. spend 3-4 days looking simple stuff like heavy sharpening stones, minor wizard oil, bags, etc. or having to vend stack after stack of ore,, herbs, leather, cloth, potions, etc after weeks of no selling on AH's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    I think if WoW goes F2P it will easily have 50m+ active players
    That could be a problem all by itself if you think about it.
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  15. #395
    I never played a F2P game so can someone tell me how much you pay for the game (as an average user) "for content" per month / year whatever. I always read like "its free!" "they make more money" "nobody pays a single cent" "WTF". Numbers please because it doesn't make any sense to me hat f2p is the better deal. Imo F2p is for hardfrozen franchise coreplayers who will play the game no matter what and hence buy what they can get. But as casual who plays a game because it's free? Or as someone who doesn't even know that there are ppl in wow who care about mechanics and stuff?

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    Wow will go f2p when there are only 500k players left. And that will probably never happen in Wow lifetime

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkz View Post
    the huge sub loss was in the asian market, this has occurred before starting in WOTLK due to mostly PVP imbal. it is not the other F2P games that are denting WOW in that part of the world. asians actions concerning WOW have basicly said more than once they are not putting up with the issues (content/PVP) that need to be dealt with that others (insert countries) complain about, and nothing is done.

    asian markets proved that even WOW's pokemon attempt would not hold them, along with grinding achieves, or other filler till content

    if we followed their actions, and quit threatening to canx subs and do it, imo blizz would listen, even though i'm sure they are going WTF right now

    blizz has blue posted in the past concerning going to a different type premium F2P systems 1 or 2 blizzcons ago

    saying all that now, i do not think it will go total F2P, but i was surprized when WOTLK was added so quickly into WOW basic game package which occured pretty much at the beginning of MOP. where as they took along time to make WOTLK part of basic WOW
    Yes, i was surprised too, how fast they bundled this time around. The entire game from vanilla up and including mop for $40.00... T
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    why are people so obsessed with free to play?do they like getting baited and treated like shit in order to be forced to spend money in the cash shop?

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    Blizzard will lose more than they gain if Wow goes f2p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voldur View Post
    Wow will go f2p when there are only 500k players left. And that will probably never happen in Wow lifetime
    The game ends before that....
    WoW is a huge game that requires mass amounts of employees and real estate to run it. You need more than 500k subs to break even on the overhead expenses.
    An F2P switch will happen (IF it happens) at sub numbers of around 4 - 5 mio. Anything lower than that starts to get into the red numbers.
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