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    It would be pretty redundant at that point though, since Garrosh is the only reason he was considering leaving to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    It would be pretty redundant at that point though, since Garrosh is the only reason he was considering leaving to begin with.
    maybe, but I always got the feeling the bloodelves see the horde the same way the Undead do, where its out of convince, combined with the fact that they at least HAD an option to join the other team if they so desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    On the contrary I would think the opposite
    Aethas was very proud of his relation ship of Dalaran, something that annoyed Rommath greatly

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    they stood by while the Alliance imprisoned them and slated them for execution
    The Sunreavers did not exist then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    The Sunreavers did not exist then.
    and SUnreavers are made up of Blood Elves...who existed back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    maybe, but I always got the feeling the bloodelves see the horde the same way the Undead do, where its out of convince, .
    perhaps
    There is still some bad blood between High Elves and Horde, since this isnt the first time they changed sides
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    maybe, but I always got the feeling the bloodelves see the horde the same way the Undead do, where its out of convince, combined with the fact that they at least HAD an option to join the other team if they so desired.
    I got the feeling that Lorthemar doesn't much like the Horde or the Alliance, and the reason he was even talking to Varian was he wanted protection from Garrosh's revenge when he left the Horde. I think Garrosh has done such damage to the Horde that it is held together out of fear of being preyed on by the Alliance rather than any mutual trust or friendship. The whole "Stand together or hang separately" deal. There is probably too much built up distrust and animosity for any offers of peace from either side to be believable.

    A really good Alliance diplomat could probably destroy the Horde without swinging a sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and SUnreavers are made up of Blood Elves...who existed back then
    They wouldn't have been the ones who rejoined Dalaran as "the Sunreavers" though. They'd either be dead (like Kael), or in a fury over it (like Rommath). Almost all of the elves Garithos tried to execute were with Kael'thas.

    The Sunreavers are just BE magi who had interest in or ties to the Kirin Tor in the past. They wouldn't have been the ones Garithos tried to murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    The Sunreavers are just BE magi who had interest in or ties to the Kirin Tor in the past. They wouldn't have been the ones Garithos tried to murder.
    some of the Elves who stayed behind as others went to Outland would have eventually joined the Sunreavers. As the Horde went to Northrend some would find service in Dalaran.

    In the Lorth'mar short story, he said somethin along the lines that as he sent his people up to Northrend, some would no doubt join with the Aethas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darmalus View Post
    The whole "Stand together or hang separately" deal. There is probably too much built up distrust and animosity for any offers of peace from either side to be believable..
    The Elves of Quel'Thalas have had bumpy histories with both the Horde and Alliance. They are in a not-so-snug spot.
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and SUnreavers are made up of Blood Elves...who existed back then

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    perhaps
    There is still some bad blood between High Elves and Horde, since this isnt the first time they changed sides
    When Kael'thas sided with the Naga, the High Elves in Dalaran were still the High Elves. Not Blood Elves. I doubt they tried to execute any of the High Elves in Dalaran. They had nothing to do with Kael'thas. That would include the Silver Covenant High Elves just as much, like Vereesa. The ones being prepared for execution were the group of Blood Elves who accompanied Kael'thas. Not the High Elves who were living in Dalaran for thousands of years and had nothing to do with Kael'thas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    When Kael'thas sided with the Naga, the High Elves in Dalaran were still the High Elves. .
    no. Kael re-named his people Blood Elves when he returend to his ruined homeland

    There was no split in Elven society until WoW. That didnt happen till reps of Kael came back from Outland preaching "questionable" ways to sate their magical addiction.
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    In the Lorth'mar short story, he said somethin along the lines that as he sent his people up to Northrend, some would no doubt join with the Aethas.
    Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There are blood elves who would love to join (or rejoin) Dalaran, and Theron knew it... but they wouldn't have been the ones sentenced to die in its dungeons. They'd probably share Rommath's outlook if they were.

    I mean, we've see that the Sunreavers have a pretty large civilian and "average elf" population. None of them would have had any bad experiences with the Kirin Tor before the purge; few, if any of them would have been part of Kael's army.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    When Kael'thas sided with the Naga, the High Elves in Dalaran were still the High Elves. Not Blood Elves. I doubt they tried to execute any of the High Elves in Dalaran. They had nothing to do with Kael'thas. That would include the Silver Covenant High Elves just as much, like Vereesa. The ones being prepared for execution were the group of Blood Elves who accompanied Kael'thas. Not the High Elves who were living in Dalaran for thousands of years and had nothing to do with Kael'thas.
    There's nothing to suggest there were high elves living in the city during the whole Garithos fiasco, or that anyone had renounced the "sin'dorei" name at all at that point. In fact, Vereesa and the Silver Covenant are exiles, suggesting they only went back to Dalaran after Rommath returned from Outland and Theron kicked them out of Quel'Thalas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    I mean, we've see that the Sunreavers have a pretty large civilian and "average elf" population. None of them would have had any bad experiences with the Kirin Tor before the purge; few, if any of them would have been part of Kael's army.
    Well yeah, those with direct experience with Garithos would be very few.
    But the other Blood Elves would have less than pleasant thoughts after hearing about what happened
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    I wouldn't doubt Aethas will be a boss in Siege.

    Steals the Anima from Lor'themar and betrays the Blood Elves because Lor'themar is taking Jaina's side.

    The fact they can't say tells me Aethas's betrayal is being addressed in 5.4 or 5.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    no. Kael re-named his people Blood Elves when he returend to his ruined homeland

    There was no split in Elven society until WoW. That didnt happen till reps of Kael came back from Outland preaching "questionable" ways to sate their magical addiction.
    Yeah he renamed them, but that didn't make them fel-corrupted. Curiously there are still High Elves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There are blood elves who would love to join (or rejoin) Dalaran, and Theron knew it... but they wouldn't have been the ones sentenced to die in its dungeons. They'd probably share Rommath's outlook if they were.

    I mean, we've see that the Sunreavers have a pretty large civilian and "average elf" population. None of them would have had any bad experiences with the Kirin Tor before the purge; few, if any of them would have been part of Kael's army.



    There's nothing to suggest there were high elves living in the city during the whole Garithos fiasco, or that anyone had renounced the "sin'dorei" name at all at that point. In fact, Vereesa and the Silver Covenant are exiles, suggesting they only went back to Dalaran after Rommath returned from Outland and Theron kicked them out of Quel'Thalas.
    They've been living there for thousands of years, that's what Jaina says during the 5.1 quests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    They've been living there for thousands of years, that's what Jaina says during the 5.1 quests.
    Except that pne point when the Scourge butt-raped it.

    And then Garithos eventually re-took it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    Yeah he renamed them, but that didn't make them fel-corrupted. Curiously there are still High Elves.
    You dont have to be fel-corrupted to be a blood elf. The name is just a hommage to all those dead.
    They have the Sunwell back and yet still embrace the name and heritage
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    I didn't doubt that emote was put there to signify something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alt-ithist View Post
    Delus may very well be short for Delusional. Just stop replying to him. On topic, I personally think he did know about it. Aethas isn't a Dalaran loyalist, he's a Silvermoon one and we may very well believe that he was acting in the best interest of his people. Maybe douche bag.... Err Garrosh threatened Silvermoon or he intended to convince regeant lord "table flipper" to keep the bell as a Blood Elves weapon.
    Just because you can't get the concept of a simple theory is no reason to begin hurling insults

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    They've been living there for thousands of years, that's what Jaina says during the 5.1 quests.
    What does that have to do with the Siver Covenant? She says that about the Sunreavers. That's her entire defense of why the Sunreavers shouldn't be evicted from Dalaran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Except that pne point when the Scourge butt-raped it.

    And then Garithos eventually re-took it

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    You dont have to be fel-corrupted to be a blood elf. The name is just a hommage to all those dead.
    They have the Sunwell back and yet still embrace the name and heritage
    You will not find a Blood Elf NPC in the game that does not have green eyes. No blue eyed elf would call themselves Blood Elf. The Blood Elves are fel-corrupted, the High Elves are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delus View Post
    Just because you can't get the concept of a simple theory is no reason to begin hurling insults
    thats how the internet works
    One's own opinion is 10x more reasonable then anothers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    What does that have to do with the Siver Covenant? She says that about the Sunreavers. That's her entire defense of why the Sunreavers shouldn't be evicted from Dalaran.
    Then where did the Silver Covenant come from? All those High Elves that live in Dalaran and did not go back to Silvermoon and become fel-corrupted like the Blood Elves.

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