View Poll Results: Who would you vote for?

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  • Al Gore

    27 14.92%
  • Andrew Cuomo

    9 4.97%
  • Bernie Sanders

    12 6.63%
  • Chris Matthews

    4 2.21%
  • Dennis Kucinich

    14 7.73%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    40 22.10%
  • Harry Reid

    5 2.76%
  • Hillary Clinton

    101 55.80%
  • Jay Nixon

    6 3.31%
  • Joe Biden

    31 17.13%
  • John Kerry

    16 8.84%
  • Kirsten Gillibrand

    8 4.42%
  • Michael Bloomberg

    6 3.31%
  • Nancy Pelosi

    9 4.97%
  • None of the Above / Other

    41 22.65%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    I understand you, other people understand you but this guy, he just doesn't know what really is allowed to happen to amendments. Hes probably one of those that thinks that if you do anything to the 2nd amendment then there goes the rest of the amendments. I have been talking to quite a few on a Ted Cruz congressional hearing video on youtube that are just as adamant and just as ignorant of gun laws and they refuse to believe that anything to change or add additional laws to the gun control is against the 2nd amendment. Where they believe there is no gun show loophole, that 40% of the gun sales go through gun shows and that those sales in 33 states don't have background checks. Especially when my friend who is an Iraq War vet in the National Guard, came back with PTSD, knows that if they close that loophole he can't buy a gun at gunshows anymore.
    You do realize that every single fact-checker has absolutely destroyed Obama's claim that "40% of firearms transactions are done without a background check" right?

    Do you also realize that there is no "gun show loophole?" It's a political term made up by the gun control lobby.
    Fact: The so-called "gun show loophole" isn't about gun shows, it's about banning private firearms transactions; i.e. I give my brother a gun for Christmas.
    Fact: Anyone who regularly engages in selling firearms at gun shows is required to have a Federal Firearms License.
    Fact: Around 1% or less of all criminals (who used guns) received their guns at a gun show.
    Last edited by SaigonRE; 2013-05-12 at 05:58 AM.

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    Do you also realize that there is no "gun show loophole?" It's a political term made up by the gun control lobby.
    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/1...estions-asked/
    Fact: Anyone who regularly engages in selling firearms at gun shows is required to have a Federal Firearms License.
    Anyone who engages in "business" needs one. Not everyone selling is legally engaging in business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Daishi View Post
    You do realize that every single fact-checker has absolutely destroyed Obama's claim that "40% of firearms transactions are done without a background check" right?

    Do you also realize that there is no "gun show loophole?" It's a political term made up by the gun control lobby.
    Fact: The so-called "gun show loophole" isn't about gun shows, it's about banning private firearms transactions; i.e. I give my brother a gun for Christmas.
    Fact: Anyone who regularly engages in selling firearms at gun shows is required to have a Federal Firearms License.
    Fact: Around 1% or less of all criminals (who used guns) received their guns at a gun show.
    Fact: Writing the word "Fact" before something doesn't make it a Fact. Especially without a link or a CREDIBLE source attached to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    that is...completely based on what that country says is free speech.....you do realize that? it's subjective to what THEY define it as, not what the US constitutions dictates, get with the program.
    Then why bother promoting civil liberties, civil rights and human rights in third world countries then? How can we possibly accuse China of violating the civil liberties of their people, if they are merely following their own definition of civil liberties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Daishi View Post
    Then why bother promoting civil liberties, civil rights and human rights in third world countries then? How can we possibly accuse China of violating the civil liberties of their people, if they are merely following their own definition of civil liberties?
    Some definitions are better than others.
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    Everyone is pro-US. They just don't know it yet.
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  6. #146
    I picked Biden because he may throw Obama into the Death Star's reactor core, restoring balance to the Force.

    Seriously though I dunno. If I recall correctly, I quite liked John Kerry's policies.
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  7. #147
    I like Elizabeth Warren the most and think she has some of the best ideas and a good heart, however I'd go with Hillary. Why?

    Because I think she has a better chance to win after the primaries. I think she has a good heart too, but she is also very moderate and gutsy/harder edged and could manhandle congress pretty good I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Anyone who engages in "business" needs one. Not everyone selling is legally engaging in business.
    And that has to do with gun shows how? What if I go to my Walmart parking lot and sell my best friend my AR-15. Am I exploiting the Walmart-loophole? Or am I merely engaging in a private firearms transaction? Why does it matter where it takes place? The vast majority of private transactions take place outside of gun shows. Not to mention the fact that it's not a "loophole," the law is clear that private transactions do not require background checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Daishi View Post
    Then why bother promoting civil liberties, civil rights and human rights in third world countries then? How can we possibly accuse China of violating the civil liberties of their people, if they are merely following their own definition of civil liberties?
    we can based on what the UN says is an infringement of human rights. like you actually care what they say or think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Daishi View Post
    And that has to do with gun shows how? What if I go to my Walmart parking lot and sell my best friend my AR-15. Am I exploiting the Walmart-loophole? Or am I merely engaging in a private firearms transaction? Why does it matter where it takes place? The vast majority of private transactions take place outside of gun shows. Not to mention the fact that it's not a "loophole," the law is clear that private transactions do not require background checks.
    I'm not sure how you managed to not get this point so hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    I picked Biden because he may throw Obama into the Death Star's reactor core, restoring balance to the Force.
    Can I sig this?
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    I picked Biden because he may throw Obama into the Death Star's reactor core, restoring balance to the Force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davendwarf View Post
    Can I sig this?
    Sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    Fact: Writing the word "Fact" before something doesn't make it a Fact. Especially without a link or a CREDIBLE source attached to it.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...f755_blog.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    we can based on what the UN says is an infringement of human rights. like you actually care what they say or think.
    Who decides that the United Nations should dictate what "human rights" are? What about rights not mentioned by the United Nations? What about non-members, such as Abhkazia, Kosovo, Palestine, Somaliland, South Ossetia, Switzerland (pre-2004), Taiwan, Transnistria, Western Sahara, etc.? What about the fact that the very countries that the UN accuses of violating "human rights," are also on the United Nations Human Rights Council?
    Last edited by SaigonRE; 2013-05-12 at 06:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Daishi View Post
    You do realize that every single fact-checker has absolutely destroyed Obama's claim that "40% of firearms transactions are done without a background check" right?

    Do you also realize that there is no "gun show loophole?" It's a political term made up by the gun control lobby.
    Fact: The so-called "gun show loophole" isn't about gun shows, it's about banning private firearms transactions; i.e. I give my brother a gun for Christmas.
    Fact: Anyone who regularly engages in selling firearms at gun shows is required to have a Federal Firearms License.
    Fact: Around 1% or less of all criminals (who used guns) received their guns at a gun show.
    It may be old but it is still relevent. Especially considering I know a lot more people that will go to a gun show over a gun store simply because they don't have to actually do a background check. Especially my friend that has PTSD, since he knows he wouldn't be able to purchase it at a gun store. I have also personally seen vendors at gun shows selling guns FOR a gun store. So how can that strictly be personaly sales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    It may be old but it is still relevent. Especially considering I know a lot more people that will go to a gun show over a gun store simply because they don't have to actually do a background check. Especially my friend that has PTSD, since he knows he wouldn't be able to purchase it at a gun store. I have also personally seen vendors at gun shows selling guns FOR a gun store. So how can that strictly be personaly sales?
    Studies show that less than 1% of criminals who were arrested for firearms related offenses purchased their guns at a gun show. Well, if they are engaging in business at a gun show without a FFL, then they're already violating the law. The "problem" (if you could call it that) would be lack of enforcement of current laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Daishi View Post
    Studies show that less than 1% of criminals who were arrested for firearms related offenses purchased their guns at a gun show. Well, if they are engaging in business at a gun show without a FFL, then they're already violating the law. The "problem" (if you could call it that) would be lack of enforcement of current laws.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sho..._United_States

    U.S. federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or those who are "engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and perform background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI prior to transferring a firearm. Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).
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    That backs up what I posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Daishi View Post
    That backs up what I posted?
    Nope. You've repeated over and over this falsehood that there is no gun show loophole.

    Which is incorrect.
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    God help us if ANY Democrat wins any sort of public office in the near future. This would be like that slut Sandra Fluke becoming President. Great for the Blacks, bad for everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Nope. You've repeated over and over this falsehood that there is no gun show loophole.

    Which is incorrect.
    That's not a loophole, it's the law. And it's not about gun shows, it's about banning all private firearms transactions.

    The gun control lobby uses the phrase "closing the gun show loophole," because it sounds less authoritarian than "banning gun owners from selling/giving their guns to their friends and family." Just like how they use the words "assault rifle" and "assault weapon" to describe semi-automatic and bolt-action rifles, when they know full well that such rifles only fire one bullet when the trigger is pulled. It's all just an attempt by the gun grabbers to use scare tactics to deceive the public.

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