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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    No, for the simple fact that the subs went up when the expansion come out. And the Pandaren were only the focus on 5.0.
    Subs tend to go up when new stuff first comes out, because people want to check it out.

    Then they realized that pandas and their fanboys are ridiculous and their lore full of air.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Id like pandaren if they werent fat, stupid alcoholics. they could have made them so much cooler imo
    but I dont think a lot of people were turned off by them so much that they quit

    this is cool: http://us.media.blizzard.com/wow/med...cream-full.jpg
    this is not: http://nandurion.de/wp-content/uploa...t-Pandaren.jpg
    yeah because some random art compared to actual game representation is totally representative.


  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero View Post
    pink
    pigtailed
    gnomes.

    bird-people

    cow-people

    goat-people

    bear-people

    walrus-people

    "fabulous" male blood elves

    murlocs

    Yeah ... how are these things all not as, or more (pink pigtailed gnomes), childish than pandaren ?

    Serious question. I see people saying Pandaren are childish who have no problem with the above.
    It was discussed back when Pandas were announced that all of the existing weird races in Wow have roots in traditional fantasy RPG, myth and Legend or gaming anyway.

    gnomes - gnomes r all over fantasy fiction

    bird-people - Valkyries, Griffons,

    cow-people - Minotaurs

    goat-people - The Devil, Baphomet, Witchcraft

    bear-people - Norse myth and Legend

    walrus-people - hmmm u got me! lol

    "fabulous" male blood elves - Elves r all over fantasy fitctional, Tolkein anyone?

    murlocs - u got me again! but fish hybrids r everywhere in fantasy gaming

    Pandas are not anywhere in Western fantasy myth and legend although they are considered very lucking in China.

    Basically, its not the introduction of a weird race into Wow that bothered people it was the lack of any traditional recognition of this particular race. The only comparison we can all make of Pandas is from Kung Fu Panda... not a good start for Blizzard lol

  4. #104
    No it was just another reason for people to complain and jump the bandvagn.
    If Panda's were reasons for someone to quit than that person is nothing but a hypocrite.

    Because yea well...Panda's are just as childish as talking cows or any other race in the game.

    Haters just hate and take every opportunity to voice it out, usually without any proper motivation.
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  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Endemonadia View Post
    It was discussed back when Pandas were announced that all of the existing weird races in Wow have roots in traditional fantasy RPG, myth and Legend or gaming anyway.

    gnomes - gnomes r all over fantasy fiction

    bird-people - Valkyries, Griffons,

    cow-people - Minotaurs

    goat-people - The Devil, Baphomet, Witchcraft

    bear-people - Norse myth and Legend

    walrus-people - hmmm u got me! lol

    "fabulous" male blood elves - Elves r all over fantasy fitctional, Tolkein anyone?

    murlocs - u got me again! but fish hybrids r everywhere in fantasy gaming

    Pandas are not anywhere in Western fantasy myth and legend although they are considered very lucking in China.

    Basically, its not the introduction of a weird race into Wow that bothered people it was the lack of any traditional recognition of this particular race. The only comparison we can all make of Pandas is from Kung Fu Panda... not a good start for Blizzard lol
    tauren have extremely few things in common with traditional fantasy minotaurs.
    goblins and gnomes are also very different, in wow they have a steampunk characterization.
    comparing draenei with the devil or baphomet is streching it to infinity and beyond

    with that criteria in standard rpg settings you have bugbears that are very similar to an anthropomorphized bear race.
    bear men were already present in wow (furbolgs), but as a less intelligent and more savage race, heavily tied with the night elves. the pandaren are more anthropomorphized, more intelligent, with a deeper culture; more similar to current playable races overall. I don't see a problem with that personally.

  6. #106
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    I hate the Male Pandaren. I really do. I wish that everyone who plays one would have their account closed tomorrow so I won't have to see them anymore.

    But no, I don't think that Pandaren had a significant effect on sales or subscriptions.

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    God, that's terrible. They almost look as bad as they already do. Look like a goddamn cross between a mole and an orc. Orcbearmole.

    ugh
    grandpa died the other day and a dumb fat fuck jumped out in front of a dump truck when i be like "man im hungry, im gonna get some pizza". go to my pops' funeral, tired as fuck. get in some b-ball, broke my friends nose on accident. get home at 7:50 PM, taking mini naps, about to pass out... but gotta slay dem dragons. dat second wind

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  7. #107
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    I think Blizzard made a mistake in how they marketed Mists Of Pandaria. Instead of focusing on the darker, more complex elements of the expansion, they focused on the lighter, more trivial features. This made it seem as if they were targeting the Asian teenager demographic at the expense of other groups of the population.
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  8. #108
    The panda race as it was designed and implemented feels incongruous in the WoW gameworld. It's too Disney/Pixar and it sticks out like a sore thumb. I honestly wish they had never been put into the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirque View Post
    I agree, really, but reading your post I actually realized I myself never thought and still am not thinking of MoP as a "serious expansion", it's more like an interlude. As someone else said, there's so many potential storylines and heroes and villains that could have their own expansion, and instead we get MoP, out of the blue. I haven't quit and I am still playing, but yes, I actually feel like MoP is just a minor break, like some small patch before the next raid.
    Honestly, I feel the same. It might deal with a few harsher issues (I don't think any expansion so far has included this much child maiming...), but as a whole it feels lighter and softer, more ground level and relaxing. The sense of urgency isn't really that apparent until you reach Dread Wastes or get involved in this faction stuff.

    It's really left field too. We have villains like the BL and Azshara who had been teased and built up for years, while Pandaria is kind of a breather episode.

    That said, the pandaren themselves don't bother me, and how they've been introduced is fair too. I think the neutral race model has potential.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Gniral View Post
    tauren have extremely few things in common with traditional fantasy minotaurs.
    goblins and gnomes are also very different, in wow they have a steampunk characterization.
    comparing draenei with the devil or baphomet is streching it to infinity and beyond
    My point is that their 'lineage', their 'history' can be traced back in RPG fantasy. Im not saying they are the same, the consensus was that everyone agreed there are elements of these races in Western myth and legend. Pandas simply isnt.

  11. #111
    Ok, we talked about people leaving (or not) because of the "childish" pandas theme, but what about new players ?

    Imagine your average teen that want to play some MMO. He's new to this market, so he knows nothing about raids, holy trinity etc. His friends don't play any of those games.
    So which one will he choose, from a pure thematic point of view:

    _ One with lightsabers and Jedi (SWTOR)
    _ One with big, bad ass dragons (GW2)
    _ One with big boobs women (Terra) ^^
    _ One in a spooky world full of cultists and misteries (TSW)
    _ etc.


    _ or one with pandas ?

    maybe it's not about old players, maybe it's because new players aren't lurked into the game anymore. (the exception being of course if you have friends playing WoW)
    Last edited by aSynchro; 2013-05-13 at 02:17 PM.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by aSynchro View Post
    Ok, we talked about people leaving (or not) because of the "childish" pandas theme, but what about new players ?

    Imagine your average teen that want to play some MMO. He's new to this market, so he knows nothing about raids, holy trinity etc. His friends don't play any of those games.
    So which one will he choose, from a pure thematic point of view:

    _ One with lightsabers and Jedi (SWTOR)
    _ One with big, bad ass dragons (GW2)
    _ One with big boobs women (Terra) ^^
    _ One in a spooky world full of cultists and misteries (TSW)
    _ etc.


    _ or one with pandas ?

    maybe it's not about old players, maybe it's because new players aren't lurcked into the game anymore. (the exception being of course if you have friends playing WoW)
    To be honest, I would say Guild Wars 2 got Women with bigger breasts than Tera.

    Dem Norns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithfir View Post
    And honestly now. Monks, Pandas, Farming daily, Pet battles. First thing that came to my mind was kung-fu panda meet farmville in pokémon. Compare that with the other expansions and to me it looks childish. And probably many others.
    Monks as a class got hardly any screen time at all. MoP has been all about Warlocks and making them special snowflakes. Pandaren are a side-show in the expansion as well. Everything has been about the Horde and now the Mogu and Zandalari trolls. 5.3 it returns to the Horde. Farming, well, it's a smart way to literally farm for mats. Who cares about the additional reps associated with it, the resource gain cannot be argued with. Pet battles are a great diversion from idiotic dailies. Lesser charms and in 5.3 valors, can come from winning them; far better way to make queues go faster than dailies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gniral View Post
    comparing draenei with the devil or baphomet is streching it to infinity and beyond
    Not really. before BC when they retconned the Draenei and had to make them "visually appealing" instead of the wretched, lost one model they all should've had, Eredar, the model they ended up with, was the meanest, most ruthless demon race in the Legion.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Klavier Gavin View Post
    To be honest, I would say Guild Wars 2 got Women with bigger breasts than Tera.

    Dem Norns.
    Yep the boobage in GW2 has become legendary... lo

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Id like pandaren if they werent fat, stupid alcoholics. they could have made them so much cooler imo
    but I dont think a lot of people were turned off by them so much that they quit

    this is cool: http://us.media.blizzard.com/wow/med...cream-full.jpg
    this is not: http://nandurion.de/wp-content/uploa...t-Pandaren.jpg
    The same thing could be said for Dwarfs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenArcher View Post
    That's a pure BS statement and you know it. Crapdaren culture only has a lot more copy paste from China, whereas other cultures at least have original features.
    It can't be a "BS" statement because it's his opinion, just like it's your opinion of whatever you think of Pandaren. Stop trying to force you views on others, simply state what you think.
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  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Konker View Post
    it's the constant barrage of "silliness" throughout MoP that got to me after a while
    But has this not always been the case? For Every silly bouncing Rabbit Boss and goofy Quest like that one where you literally stomp on Bookworms there has already been an evenly silly Entity before in WoW like the Darkmoon Rabbit Boss, Bunny Ears, and most of the Darkmoon dailies, the "Plants vs Zombies" Miniquest, or Exploding Sheep who have been with us since 1996.

    There is also an even amount of Seriousness like that Questchain where a person sacrifices himself to grant another one life or the Cutscene where slaughtered Sailors paint the Water red.

    Quote Originally Posted by aSynchro View Post
    _ One with big boobs women (TERA) ^^
    I always believed that TERA appealed to creepy Lolicon perverts who like little flatchested girls?
    Last edited by Fincher; 2013-05-13 at 07:25 PM.

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