Last edited by TheEaterofSouls; 2013-05-14 at 09:35 PM.
I recall a certain stamina trinket that had a cast-time rocket launch that stunned. And yes, that counts.
And yeah, you know...the point is the fact that they got inspired from it. Saying they don't share the same effect/name when other abilities from WC3 are is stupid, because you're comparing class-to-class transition, as opposed to class-to-profession transition. Can you fucking get it it's not the same?
Last edited by Orly; 2013-05-14 at 10:14 PM.
1st. As an Engineer since Vanilla, Bombs, Ray Guns, Shrink Rays, Teleports, Robot Fighting pets, Invisibility, Rockets. Some of the Bombs I have been able to make include Exploding Sheep, and a a way to open locked doors. I had healing injectors, Repair bots, and giant growth. If I wanted to ride a mech or drive a tank I could join certain PVP, and even a few quests. Also I have always been able to repair tanks, and mechs if I remember to bring the kits. So yah Everything you want in a 'Tinker' class is in Engineering besides the one thing which would ruin game balance. unless controlled for specific objectives.
Next, Warlocks can not replace true Demon hunters. Demon Hunters mechanically are closer to rogues than any iteration of warlock for starters. Also Nightelves make up the majority of Demon Hunters, and Warlocks and Mages are taboo classes for night elves. The only reason Mages have been allowed is because there has always been a small group of Highborn Night Elf mages in Dire Mual the Shen'dralar, Blizzard placed the current leader of the Shen'dralar Archmage Mordent Evenshade in Darnassus during the middle of Wrath, so he could beg forgiveness and offer support to the alliance. This was done to create a lore reason to allow Night Elf Mages. They can not do the same trick with Warlocks, because to be a warlock is to flirt with demons. The nightelves barely tolerate other Alliance races Warlocks, it would be kill on sight if a Night elf tried to learn the art. Also this would be true of Draenei since that would essentially be an Eredar. So off the top two races which can not be Warlocks, one of which has Demon Hunters.
So the theory that Warlocks are going to become Demon hunters is right out. Unless they make the Warlock Demon Hunter 4th Spec a hero class which can be gained by any class at level 70 by fallowing a quest chain, where you loose what ever class you where and become a warlock with Demon Hunter. ie the original plan for Death Knights. I seriously doubt this will happen.
Find it so that we can show yet another ability that is nothing like a Tinker's abilities.
I believe the point was your belief that a Tinker class would be inspired by the Engineering profession. That has been proven false numerous times. The Engineering profession is loosely based on the mechanical units and items from WC3. A tinker class would be based on the Tinker hero unit.And yeah, you know...the point is the fact that they got inspired from it.
If you can't comprehend that, then this discussion really needs to end here.
Actually that's the other point...... If the abilities are inspired by the Tinker hero, where are the inspired abilities? Rockets and other explosives come from the Goblin Sapper, the siege tanks, the Grypcopter bombs, and the Dwarven mortar team from WC3. The mechanical items you can craft come from the numerous mechanical items in WC3 like the mechanical critters that could be used to spy on your opponents. None of that is from the Tinker hero.Saying they don't share the same effect/name when other abilities from WC3 are is stupid, because you're comparing class-to-class transition, as opposed to class-to-profession transition. Can you fucking get it it's not the same
In short, the Tinker hero's abilities are non-existent in WoW. Allowing a fertile space to use it as a template for the 12th class.
Last edited by Teriz; 2013-05-14 at 10:43 PM.
Lol how can you believe this?
Tinker
Engineering Upgrade (Passive)
Gnome
Engineering Specialist
Since they both upgrade Engineering, it seems the same to me.
Next:
Tinker
Cluster Rockets
Engineer
[Rough Dynamite]
[Coarse Dynamite]
[Rough Copper Bomb]
[Big Bronze Bomb]
[Large Copper Bomb]
[Heavy Dynamite]
[Small Bronze Bomb]
[Explosive Sheep]
[Big Iron Bomb]
[Iron Grenade]
[Solid Dynamite]
[Compact Harvest Reaper Kit]
[Hi-Explosive Bomb]
[Handful of Fel Iron Bolts]
[Frost Grenade]
[Fel Iron Bomb]
[Adamantite Grenade]
[Cobalt Frag Bomb]
[Explosive Decoy]
[Box of Bombs]
[Healing Injector Kit]
[Mana Injector Kit]
[Unbreakable Healing Amplifiers]
[Global Thermal Sapper Charge]
[Gnomish Lightning Generator]
[Personal Electromagnetic Pulse Generator]
125 [Small Blue Rocket] 175 [Large Red Rocket] 275 [Cluster Launcher]
125 [Small Green Rocket] 225 [Firework Launcher] 275 [Large Blue Rocket Cluster]
125 [Small Red Rocket] 225 [Blue Rocket Cluster] 275 [Large Green Rocket Cluster]
175 [Large Blue Rocket] 225 [Green Rocket Cluster] 275 [Large Red Rocket Cluster]
175 [Large Green Rocket] 225 [Red Rocket Cluster]
[Discombobulator Ray]
[Flash Bomb]
[Snake Burst Firework]
[Tranquil Mechanical Yeti]
[Steam Tonk Controller]
[Parachute Cloak]
[Ez-Thro Dynamite]
[Small Seaforium Charge]
[Flame Deflector]
[Major Recombobulator]
[Gnomish Universal Remote]
[Dark Iron Bomb]
[Hyper-Radiant Flame Reflector]
[Discombobulator Ray]
[Voice Amplification Modulator]
[Portable Bronze Mortar]
[Arcane Bomb]
[Arcanite Dragonling]
[Flash Bomb]
[Goblin Land Mine]
[Gnomish Cloaking Device]
[Large Seaforium Charge]
[Crashin' Thrashin' Robot]
[Healing Potion Injector]
[Purple Smoke Flare]
[Mana Potion Injector]
[Rocket Boots Xtreme]
[Rocket Boots Xtreme Lite]
[Jeeves]
[Deepdive Helmet]
[Gnomish Universal Remote]
[Mithril Mechanical Dragonling]
[Minor Recombobulator]
[Gyrofreeze Ice Reflector]
[Blue Firework]
[Green Firework]
[Red Firework]
[Masterwork Target Dummy]
[Ice Deflector]
[Powerful Seaforium Charge]
[Goblin Jumper Cables]
[Steam Tonk Controller] -
[Ez-Thro Dynamite II]
[Gnomish Cloaking Device]
[Mechanical Dragonling]
[White Smoke Flare]
[Gnomish Shrink Ray]
[Lil' Smoky]
[Gnomish Net-o-Matic Projector]
[Gnomish Harm Prevention Belt]
[Gnomish Rocket Boots]
[Gnomish Battle Chicken]
[Gnomish Mind Control Cap]
[Gnomish Death Ray]
[Ultrasafe Transporter: Gadgetzan]
[World Enlarger]
[Gnomish Alarm-O-Bot]
[Gnomish Flame Turret]
[Gnomish Poultryizer]
[Nigh Invulnerability Belt]
[Ultrasafe Transporter: Toshley's Station]
[Goblin Mortar]
[The Mortar: Reloaded]
[Pet Bombling]
[Goblin Sapper Charge]
[Goblin Rocket Boots]
[Goblin Bomb Dispenser]
[The Big One]
[Dimensional Ripper - Everlook]
[Goblin Jumper Cables XL]
[The Bigger One]
[Super Sapper Charge]
[Goblin Rocket Launcher]
[Dimensional Ripper - Area 52]
[Global Thermal Sapper Charge]
So this is the full combat usable list for engineering. What is it that Your tinker class can do that Engineering doesn't. I excluded crafting items and guns and googles.
Warrior - Dragoon - usage of lances, maybe throwing spears or ranged?
Mage - Blood mage - heal spec? maybe a dot spec
Rogue - ?????
Druid - Bear
Hunter - based on the icon - Dark Ranger
Shaman - Earth spec, tanking?
Priest - looks like maybe some kind of shadow frost otherwise ?????
Warlock - Demon Hunter - either melee DPS or tank
Paladin - Ranged/caster DPS
Death Knight - Death spec - caster/healer/necromancer spec
Monk - red crane - caster DPS
Engineer/Tinkerer
- Poisons/Potions/Chemistry/Alchemy based attacks
- Tesla coil/ Lightning rod - channeling Caster DPS spec?
- Stuns? Knock out/flash bangs? CC spec? Green color... heals?
- Rockets, grenades, bomb spec.
It is my belief that a Tinker class would be very similar to what engineering can do because engineering got inspired from Tinkers. Same with alchemy. Having a class that gets at least 2, if not 3 specs, based off two existing classes, is SILLY.
That and, what Gothicshark said.
Last edited by Teriz; 2013-05-14 at 11:12 PM.
I'm sorry, I just don't see it. I can't tank with my Engineering profession, but I can easily see a tanking tinker option.
Aren't Demon Hunters exclusively Night Elves? Why would blizzard make a class based on one race with middling popularity?Also I should mention
WHY the fuck would blizzard make a Class based on the two least popular races?
You're not allowed to discuss conspiracy theories on mmo-champion, which makes me wonder what they're trying to hide.