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  1. #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumast View Post
    I agree. You are.
    I take it vanguards is too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUntsAhts View Post
    I take it vanguards is too?
    They let that mage do whatever he wanted. So yes.

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    I wonder how bad Holinka feels having to dodge the Mage questions and stick to GC's obviously biased easily proven false reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    I wonder how bad Holinka feels having to dodge the Mage questions and stick to GC's obviously biased easily proven false reasoning.
    It was a hypocritical response as well. Making class specs useless at high ratings hasn't stopped Blizzard from nerfing them before.
    "These people, Adam, they're like ghosts. Always in the shadows. Always hiding behind lies and proxy soldiers. I need you to find them. They cannot stop us. They cannot stop the future".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    It was a hypocritical response as well. Making class specs useless at high ratings hasn't stopped Blizzard from nerfing them before.
    Well that and as it was brought up before, mages are by far dominating the high end, which makes GC's assertion that they are balanced at the high end ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreeshak View Post
    According to Ghostcrawler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumast View Post
    I agree. You are.
    My boomkin destroys every mage. I can cyclone DF.
    If it bothers you, feel free to corrent my grammar and PM me I would appreciate your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fezix View Post
    My boomkin destroys every mage. I can cyclone DF.
    Moonkins can cast while stunned, dam thats op.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
    Join the rest of the millions.

    In all seriousness, mage favoritism has been going on for a long long long time.
    Core mage abilities make mages do well in PVP, abilities that you cant take away. I was suprised they took the target cap off of living bomb though and buffed the dmg by 121%, i was on the PTR using my legendary meta, and it was fun, died but had fun.

    Someone rolls a melee, then is suprised that most range classes do very well against, them. If you are going to Pvp why roll a melee?

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    Core mage abilities make mages do well in PVP, abilities that you cant take away.
    More Mage Bias. Mortal Strike was a core warrior ability, 50% healing debuff giving us utility that made us wanted in PvP over classes lacking it, and we had it for 6 years, yet did we get to keep having that added utility in the face of supposed pvp imbalance, NO.

    There are plenty of examples of one time core class abilities being heavily nerfed or outright removed due to balance. Mages should not be treated any differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verain View Post
    I was surprised when they said that mages are handled well by gladiator level characters, but then Yvaelle linked arena rep at really high ratings- and there's plenty of mages there too.

    I don't really get why every deep has to be so goddamned threatening, on top of a class with solid spammable CC. I can't threaten that well outside of dance, and I certainly can't throw out a CC at a teammate for every dance- much less every kidney shot. I get that different classes are different, but EVERY DEEP is like this.
    mostly this, thats what i thought when he said high lvl players have no problem shutting down mages yet frost mages litter the top ratings. but honestly thinking about blanace in general makes me sad/mad so i just play the game and dont think why

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Casual View Post
    mostly this, thats what i thought when he said high lvl players have no problem shutting down mages yet frost mages litter the top ratings. but honestly thinking about blanace in general makes me sad/mad so i just play the game and dont think why
    He said that to appear to have a clue what he's talking about, but Yvaelle already proved it wrong with the real facts of frost mage representation in high rated arenas.

  13. #253
    -Mages need an aoe stun that will freeze opponents for 8 seconds
    -Wouldn't that be a bit too much? The players are going to protest
    -Tell them to not stand on it and L2P

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    Quote Originally Posted by meathead View Post
    The problem is warriors are not easy to kill like we were in cata and people are mad at that
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler
    Brian may answer differently, but I would say mages are hard to counter for average players but easy for great players.

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    Seeing lots of mage questions in the twitch chat for the Holinka/GC interview on right now. Doubt they answer any. http://www.twitch.tv/gamebreakertv

    Now Gamebreaker is deleting any balance questions from chat. Another worthless interview. Its like watching MSNBC ask obama questions.
    Last edited by Korgoth; 2013-05-20 at 07:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    Seeing lots of mage questions in the twitch chat for the Holinka/GC interview on right now. Doubt they answer any. http://www.twitch.tv/gamebreakertv

    Now Gamebreaker is deleting any balance questions from chat. Another worthless interview. Its like watching MSNBC ask obama questions.
    Thus far we're still just seeing QQing criticism from people who want mages nerfed. Any constructiveness to add to it? Ideas besides making DF a 1 or 2 minute cooldown? Or that's it and then they're balanced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chestbrah View Post
    Thus far we're still just seeing QQing criticism from people who want mages nerfed. Any constructiveness to add to it? Ideas besides making DF a 1 or 2 minute cooldown? Or that's it and then they're balanced?
    Blink no longer removes stuns and roots. Blanket Counterspell no longer works on players. Deep Freeze 1min CD. That would do it.
    Last edited by Korgoth; 2013-05-20 at 07:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    Blink no longer removes stuns and roots. Counterspell no longer works on players. Deep Freeze 1min CD. That would do it.
    As much as i hate it, mages need blink to at least remove roots. Stuns though i agree with. Personally i would like to see a cd on the water elemental summon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    More Mage Bias. Mortal Strike was a core warrior ability, 50% healing debuff giving us utility that made us wanted in PvP over classes lacking it, and we had it for 6 years, yet did we get to keep having that added utility in the face of supposed pvp imbalance, NO.

    There are plenty of examples of one time core class abilities being heavily nerfed or outright removed due to balance. Mages should not be treated any differently.
    It was arms, so not really a core ability, but strictly speaking in PvP, yes it was a warrior niche until rogues and hunters got it, and then every other class in the game including Frost mages.

    If anything the Spell Reflect nerf was a core ability that Blizzard nerfed without any reason at all. No statements, just nerfed because apparently it was the solution to fix warrior damage in S9.

    It's about time mages got nerfed. Having ridiculous burst, CC, and survivability cannot slide. In the past mages have always had the very good CC and survivability, but their burst wasn't as high as it is now. Something has to change if anything it should be their burst toned down, counterspell blanket silence removed, deep freeze slight cooldown increase and turned into a missile, and Blink not breaking stuns. Mages shouldn't have an answer to every problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    Blink no longer removes stuns and roots. Blanket Counterspell no longer works on players. Deep Freeze 1min CD. That would do it.
    Mages can already get trampled by many melee classes with half a brain if they can't get away from them. Remove blink breaking stuns and roots? You just lost all credibility. Have you ever played a mage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chestbrah View Post
    Mages can already get trampled by many melee classes with half a brain if they can't get away from them. Remove blink breaking stuns and roots? You just lost all credibility. Have you ever played a mage?
    When you are going to make up bullshit about mages being trampled by melee, it might help if Mages were not completely dominating melee comps at the high end. No class needs a stun break on a 15s cooldown, its ludicrous. As for the root, will according to mage logic it can just be dispelled or freedom'd anyway.

    And the "you have to play it to understand argument" was retarded 8 years ago and still retarded now. The game is not that complicated and simply playing against and with a class for many hundreds of hours will give you all the insight into it you need to understand why being able to 100-0 someone every 30s while having a 15s CD that prevents you from dying to your own bullshit is wrong.
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