View Poll Results: What are your sub predictions for Q2, 2013?

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    323 88.98%
  • Higher than 8.3m

    40 11.02%
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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    don't get me wrong I do think that part of the point of this thread was to get that reaction.
    The ENTIRE point of this thread was to get that reaction, nothing about this thread is constructive or trying to solve any problems at all.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Quilzar View Post
    The ENTIRE point of this thread was to get that reaction, nothing about this thread is constructive or trying to solve any problems at all.
    Yeah because talking on one of many WoW fanforums is going to solve problems... :P
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  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Yeah because talking on one of many WoW fanforums is going to solve problems... :P
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  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Quilzar View Post
    The ENTIRE point of this thread was to get that reaction, nothing about this thread is constructive or trying to solve any problems at all.
    Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. The fact is that these boards are full of people from all over the world all with different outlooks, ages, etc and it is inevitable that some people will want to discuss things that others do not. Problems arise when the people that do not want to discuss a certain subject decide that others should not discuss it either, as you can see from this thread there are individuals that are clearly not happy with it instead of just ignoring it which would result in the thread dropping off of the first page they post multiple times thus extending the life of the thread. Would you expect someone to sit there screaming at the television that the program showing was crap or to change the channel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Yeah because talking on one of many WoW fanforums is going to solve problems... :P
    It cannot do any harm.

    The majority of people who are unhappy with a service just stop using it they do not tell the business why. Blizzard have a fantastic resource in these and forums like them in which people will gladly give up their time to talk about, in detail, what they like and dislike about WOW.
    Last edited by Pann; 2013-05-18 at 12:13 PM.

  5. #185
    I wish there was only 3 milions subscribers, with WoW cancelled at the East, to shut up all the haters with their - "WoW East doesn't count".
    I wish this 3 milions that left were happy customers, with all the haters and hype hoppers left the game already.

  6. #186
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    I wish there was only 3 milions subscribers, with WoW cancelled at the East, to shut up all the haters with their - "WoW East doesn't count".
    I wish this 3 milions that left were happy customers, with all the haters and hype hoppers left the game already.
    Haters and RaF players (Those that use illegal gametime for couple of thousand gold monthly).

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by taurenguard View Post
    Haters and RaF players (Those that use illegal gametime for couple of thousand gold monthly).
    don't care, I wish they were fucking gone.

  8. #188
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    don't care, I wish they were fucking gone.
    Totally support.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
    I wish there was only 3 milions subscribers, with WoW cancelled at the East, to shut up all the haters with their - "WoW East doesn't count".
    I wish this 3 milions that left were happy customers, with all the haters and hype hoppers left the game already.
    WoW will close in the West sooner than it'll close in the East, considering WoW with NetEase Asia has a few million more subscribers than Blizzard.
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  10. #190
    It's obviously going to be lower. No, that does not mean that WoW is dead.

    Nor does it mean that your pet peeve is right, and that if they <removed LFR, brought back world PvP, make heroic raids even harder, nerfed crowd control, etc> that everything would be fine. In fact, it'll probably make things worse.
    Last edited by paralleluniverse; 2013-05-18 at 12:40 PM.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    WoW will close in the West sooner than it'll close in the East, considering WoW with NetEase Asia has a few million more subscribers than Blizzard.
    reported for trolling

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
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    Good for you? I'm very neutral when it comes to hating or liking WoW. I'm just a guy who played a lot of different MMOs and gives every new one a try.

    Personally I don't think it's fair or even has much use to compare subscriber numbers between MMOs when most MMOs out there don't bother trying to release outside the West (US, EU, Australia). And then to use the subscriber numbers as a measurement of quality is when it gets completely ridiculous.

    Let me point out what is wrong with the following statement:

    "WoW is the best, because we have 8,3M subscribers!"

    1. "WoW is the best": Very subjective. It has smooth and very responsive controls and sure does offer a lot of things. But on the side of graphics and gameplay diversity or even quest and leveling quality it falls short compared to more recent MMOs. It also offers a decent endgame, but not the best end-game or best raiding scene that is available on the market right now.

    2. "Because we have 8,3M subscribers": Only because they forcefully made the game have a global coverage. Most modern MMOs that people think try to compete with WoW or try to compare with WoW aren't even reachable for 90% of the market that WoW covers. Once again, it's pointless to compare MMOs when WoW has a global coverage and has subscriber numbers inflated by a few million chinese, while other games like GW2 and Rift don't even try to branch out into Russia or the middle-east, let alone Asia... Furthermore quality is definitely not defined by subscriber numbers or viewers... since if that was the case then Honey Boo Boo child would've been one of the best TV shows of the decade and Pewdiepie is the best Youtube channel ever...

    It's why I find the 8,3M number ... very dumb and pointless when used to compare with other MMOs. And why Blizzard should post regional sub numbers, or people should only use the regional estimates if they want to compare WoW with other MMOs.

    But hey, nice to see you play on Silvermoon EU by the way. I was a founding member of Inner Sanctum for many years...
    Last edited by Anarch the Subduer; 2013-05-18 at 01:02 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemro82 View Post
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    Why? He is right. There is a reason why Blizzard NEVER releases regional info. All the people would see that WoW isn't all that popular in the west anymore and hasn't been for quite some time.

    Personally, my enjoyment of the game doesn't correlate to the sub numbers, as long as I have enough people to raid with.

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  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Good for you? I'm very neutral when it comes to hating or liking WoW. I'm just a guy who played a lot of different MMOs and gives every new one a try.

    Personally I don't think it's fair or even has much use to compare subscriber numbers between MMOs when most MMOs out there don't bother trying to release outside the West (US, EU, Australia). And then to use the subscriber numbers as a measurement of quality is when it gets completely ridiculous.

    Let me point out what is wrong with the following statement:

    "WoW is the best, because we have 8,3M subscribers!"

    1. "WoW is the best": Very subjective. It has smooth and very responsive controls and sure does offer a lot of things. But on the side of graphics and gameplay diversity or even quest and leveling quality it falls short compared to more recent MMOs. It also offers a decent endgame, but not the best end-game or best raiding scene that is available on the market right now.

    2. "Because we have 8,3M subscribers": Only because they forcefully made the game have a global coverage. Most modern MMOs that people think try to compete with WoW or try to compare with WoW aren't even reachable for 90% of the market that WoW covers. Once again, it's pointless to compare MMOs when WoW has a global coverage and has subscriber numbers inflated by a few million chinese, while other games like GW2 and Rift don't even try to branch out into Russia or the middle-east, let alone Asia... Furthermore quality is definitely not defined by subscriber numbers or viewers... since if that was the case then Honey Boo Boo child would've been one of the best TV shows of the decade and Pewdiepie is the best Youtube channel ever...

    It's why I find the 8,3M number ... very dumb and pointless when used to compare with other MMOs. And why Blizzard should post regional sub numbers, or people should only use the regional estimates if they want to compare WoW with other MMOs.

    But hey, nice to see you play on Silvermoon EU by the way. I was a founding member of Inner Sanctum for many years...
    it's same sitation with haters saying -" it's crap because of loosing subs."
    or even better " omg only 8.3 milions left, crap game is dying, lolollololoolo"
    Last edited by nemro82; 2013-05-18 at 01:07 PM.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    wow, reduced time to level from 85-90. that will really bring the people flooding back. and cheaper heirlooms will make it even QUICKER to get through the content.

    so, you are defending the developers of the game, on the basis they are bringing in two changes that mean people can finish a part of their game quicker. its weird, most games that i enjoy i dont want to end at all. making them quicker would be a negative change. i guess WoW these days just works a little differently.
    And right on queue another hater joins the pile.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 11:36 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    4m. So you guys finally would have won. WoW is officially dead and guys like me who really enjoy this game could browse mmo-c without this stupid threads showing up everywhere.

    By the way, how many "infractions" does it need for Jaylock to be bannend permanently?
    Watch out complaining about people who get banned constantly will get you banned. I will never understand why the mods defend people like the OP to the death despite the fact after all their scolding they end up banning the guy anyway. It only makes them look ignorant.

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post

    No one is saying subscription loss is ok. Not one single person. No one. The point is even with losses the game is still pushing forward and not dead not even close not even by a long shot. Considering EQ1 is going on 15 years and its 19th expansion with significantly less than 8.3 million subscribers I think Wow will do just fine. That is the point you people continually willfully miss and refuse to consider.
    I've seen people defend it, nobody from Blizz obviously, but posters. Not like you read my post properly either, I wasn't saying WoW is dying at all, I asked if it's evolving fast enough, that's not even a statement, more something to ask yourself. I think WoW will last and evolve till Blizz takes down the servers.
    Last edited by Slappers; 2013-05-18 at 03:39 PM.

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I'm sorry but I cannot write every single post with Will Xanzul take this wrong way in mind.



    You know you don't have to read these threads? No one is forcing you to, in fact I'm pretty sure had the people arguing on Blizzard's behalf had not posted in this thread it would have dropped off of the front page long ago.
    Here is the thing: every other thread on this forum is generally started by someone trying to stir the pot by calling the game crap or calling the devs out or generally insulting anyone who dares like Wow still. I think people have every right to be fed up with it. Don't like it? Too god damn bad.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 11:42 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    You could say the same about all of the threads on this site.

    This thread is about predicting the sub numbers for Q2 of course many people will get it wrong if you look at the thread for Q1 the majority of people thought it would be no higher than 300k.

    Like it or not WOW is not in good shape, should we just ignore that or should we discuss what we think is behind it? Surely by discussing the problems we perceive with WOW we can give Blizzard a better idea of how the player base feels and how they can deal with it?

    Well you've got two extra posts out of this very page so don't knock it.
    Like I said from the start this thread isn't about predictions. Blizzard flat out straight up said there WILL be more losses. There is no prediction to be had especially given the choice in the poll was either gains or losses. This is a hater circle jerk and nothing more and everyone knows it. Stop pretending to be objective because we all know you are full of shit.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 11:43 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Any business or product that is losing customers and has been doing so for over two years is not in good shape regardless of how large it is. If the losses continue at the current rate, although they will slow down at some point, WOW will have less players than Eve in two years time that is a truly frightening prospect.

    That is my point as soon as a thread like this pops up it is immediately jumped on by people that feel they have to defend Blizzard but don't get me wrong I do think that part of the point of this thread was to get that reaction.
    And my point is simply because you hate the game and don't understand and can't comprehend why people disagree doesn't change the fact that people still do like Wow.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Here is the thing: every other thread on this forum is generally started by someone trying to stir the pot by calling the game crap or calling the devs out or generally insulting anyone who dares like Wow still. I think people have every right to be fed up with it. Don't like it? Too god damn bad.
    And if you're tired of people whining, too god damn bad for you too =) That river of tears flows both ways

  19. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Here is the thing: every other thread on this forum is generally started by someone trying to stir the pot by calling the game crap or calling the devs out or generally insulting anyone who dares like Wow still. I think people have every right to be fed up with it. Don't like it? Too god damn bad.
    If you know that the thread is started to cause trouble why rise to the bait? So what is if someone calls the game crap or calls out the devs, how does that affect you? Do you react like this with other products what if someone wearing Adidas called Nike crap? Or a Pepsi drinker calling out the makers of Coke? Seriously if people's opinion of a product you enjoy bothers you that much it is you that has the problem not them.

  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Quilzar View Post
    The ENTIRE point of this thread was to get that reaction, nothing about this thread is constructive or trying to solve any problems at all.
    And sadly the mods will leave threads like this open while banning the people who start them. That says it all. They know certain people post here to stir up shit and refuse to perm ban them and refuse to properly moderate the forums and wonder why people start raging at the sheer number of these idiotic threads. It is at the point where I think this site needs to lose its official fan site status and everything that entails. Without Blizzard backing it up it would be curious to see how relevant it stays when people who enjoy Blizzard games are routinely harassed and chased out of here.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 11:54 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Yeah because talking on one of many WoW fanforums is going to solve problems... :P
    Mindless unmitigated hate solves nothing especially when malcontents direct it at the people who still like this game and have a reason to want to see it continue to thrive. People like you just want to see Blizzard and this game burn and nothing else and to hell with anyone who thinks differently than you.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 11:59 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. The fact is that these boards are full of people from all over the world all with different outlooks, ages, etc and it is inevitable that some people will want to discuss things that others do not. Problems arise when the people that do not want to discuss a certain subject decide that others should not discuss it either, as you can see from this thread there are individuals that are clearly not happy with it instead of just ignoring it which would result in the thread dropping off of the first page they post multiple times thus extending the life of the thread. Would you expect someone to sit there screaming at the television that the program showing was crap or to change the channel?



    It cannot do any harm.

    The majority of people who are unhappy with a service just stop using it they do not tell the business why. Blizzard have a fantastic resource in these and forums like them in which people will gladly give up their time to talk about, in detail, what they like and dislike about WOW.
    Yes a lot of people have different opinions of this game. The problem is haters like you refuse to accept people quit the game for any other reason than it is "crap". If you are going to defend opinions then you are a hypocrite for attacking those who point out people dislike the game for reasons other than yours.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 12:08 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Good for you? I'm very neutral when it comes to hating or liking WoW. I'm just a guy who played a lot of different MMOs and gives every new one a try.

    Personally I don't think it's fair or even has much use to compare subscriber numbers between MMOs when most MMOs out there don't bother trying to release outside the West (US, EU, Australia). And then to use the subscriber numbers as a measurement of quality is when it gets completely ridiculous.

    Let me point out what is wrong with the following statement:

    "WoW is the best, because we have 8,3M subscribers!"

    1. "WoW is the best": Very subjective. It has smooth and very responsive controls and sure does offer a lot of things. But on the side of graphics and gameplay diversity or even quest and leveling quality it falls short compared to more recent MMOs. It also offers a decent endgame, but not the best end-game or best raiding scene that is available on the market right now.

    2. "Because we have 8,3M subscribers": Only because they forcefully made the game have a global coverage. Most modern MMOs that people think try to compete with WoW or try to compare with WoW aren't even reachable for 90% of the market that WoW covers. Once again, it's pointless to compare MMOs when WoW has a global coverage and has subscriber numbers inflated by a few million chinese, while other games like GW2 and Rift don't even try to branch out into Russia or the middle-east, let alone Asia... Furthermore quality is definitely not defined by subscriber numbers or viewers... since if that was the case then Honey Boo Boo child would've been one of the best TV shows of the decade and Pewdiepie is the best Youtube channel ever...

    It's why I find the 8,3M number ... very dumb and pointless when used to compare with other MMOs. And why Blizzard should post regional sub numbers, or people should only use the regional estimates if they want to compare WoW with other MMOs.

    But hey, nice to see you play on Silvermoon EU by the way. I was a founding member of Inner Sanctum for many years...
    How the fuck are you neutral? Despite how fucked up moderation on this site is we can still see your post history. We can still see you have a hardon for hating on Wow. You aren't neutral and you thrive on negative Wow threads and you do your best to contribute as much toxicity and negativity as possible. You are nothing but a hater who can't handle the fact Blizzard isn't on its knees begging you to come back and that they will do anything for you if you do. It is pathetic and sickening honestly the way you and others on this site behave. People like you have NO interest in Wow improving or if people are having fun with the game they pay for. You want it gone because YOU personally have decided because the game isn't good enough for YOU that NO ONE should be able to play it.

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