View Poll Results: What are your sub predictions for Q2, 2013?

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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    http://files.shareholder.com/downloa...%20release.pdf

    There is the source...

    Amount of income from PC Subscriptions (WoW and Call of Duty Gold Membership) in Q1 2013 was 93M ...
    (Page 11 of the report) ... let's assume that 100% of that is WoW (and ignore CoD's contribution), that is 31M per month ... which at 15dollars a month of subscription would leave us with just a bit over 2M subscribers ... but that's not true ofcourse, since many people use other payment plans (3- or 6-monthly), so with an average of 10 dollars a month that leaves us a little over 3M subscribers.

    Ergo 3M WoW subscribers is the best estimate we can have for Blizzard. (5M WoW subscribers belonging to NetEase).
    Income of first quarter MMO subscriptions 2013: 275 million dollars.

    So learn to read.

    You are just a fat liar.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    Income of first quarter MMO subscriptions 2013: 275 million dollars.

    So learn to read.

    You are just a fat liar.
    Oh look, someone is being confused by GAAP accounting again.
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  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    Income of first quarter MMO subscriptions 2013: 275 million dollars.

    So learn to read.

    You are just a fat liar.
    Oh, so now you're going to count Xbox, PS3 game subscriptions and royalties as well?

    L2read indeed:

    boxed products, expansion packs,
    licensing royalties, and value-added servi
    ces. It also includes revenues from
    Call of Duty Elite
    memberships
    Last edited by Anarch the Subduer; 2013-05-17 at 11:47 AM.
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  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    Income of first quarter MMO subscriptions 2013: 275 million dollars.

    So learn to read.

    You are just a fat liar.
    You're looking at the wrong numbers... as above two people pointed out.

    Don't call other people liars because you're dumb ...

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Oh look, someone is being confused by GAAP accounting again.
    No, not confused, just copiously mad and refusing to see outside the play safe bubble.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Yes, exactly!

    *Applause*

    I get so tired of people hearing saying Blizzard has 8,3 million subscribers when we know that 5M of those are chinese of which Blizzard doesn't earn much at all.
    Agreed. Doesn't mean WoW is a bad game or anything, but it does mean that 8.3 million is a PR number. You'll only ever see half, if that, during your tenure as a subscriber.

  6. #66
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    Why do you care how many play the game??? Play the game coz you like it...
    I really don't understand these threads...

    Who cares if the game loses their subs...

  7. #67
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    I don't see why people deem subscription numbers as irrelevant; they're an important and useful gauge of how attractive both the content is, and Blizzard's measures of keeping people playing. With that in mind, MoP has been performing surprisingly poorly over all; it has had the usual, new expansion spike after the subscription losses seen in Cataclysm, yet now we're on the slippery slope once more.

    Truthfully i'm not sure why, but i'd put it down to two things;

    1) Blizzard thinking that dailies = exciting/engaging/legitimate content
    2) Patches having less content than things would seem

    This excludes external factors such as competition.
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  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Oh look, someone is being confused by GAAP accounting again.
    Gaap: 275 million dollars in one quarter

    Non gaap: 228 million dollars in one quater.

    So with 3 million "only" you'll fall short.

    Now ADD the fact that several countries don't pay 15 dollars for a sub (eastern EU)
    AND A SUB CARD is sold retail with only 50% going to Blizzard,


    You see that 8.3 million world wide subs is quite accurate to justity the amounts.

    As always has been btw. I always won these discussions.

    Easy really since Blizzard has open books for their stockholders and I am one of them.
    Last edited by BenBos; 2013-05-17 at 11:51 AM.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    world wide subs
    The point is really flying over your head, huh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Realize that figure also includes revenue other than from subs, including value added services like realm transfer, character renaming, and race change. These are probably quite significant.
    Don't forget the cash shop a sub based MMO has. That too brings in far more revenue than it should.

    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post

    As always has been btw. I always won these discussions.
    Holy hell. I lold so hard.

    Protip: If you have to announce your "victory", all you won was a cheap gold star from the local dollar mart.
    Last edited by A Challenger!; 2013-05-17 at 11:55 AM.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    Gaap: 275 million dollars in one quarter

    Non gaap: 228 million dollars in one quater.

    So with 3 million "only" you'll fall short.
    Realize that figure also includes revenue other than from subs, including value added services like realm transfer, character renaming, and race change. These are probably quite significant.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
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  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Realize that figure also includes revenue other than from subs, including value added services like realm transfer, character renaming, and race change. These are probably quite significant.
    As well as the others stated in the numbered postscript. Copied word for word below for all to see except BenBos ofc as he will never see reason other than his own lil BenBos world.

    "1. Revenue from online subscriptions consists of revenue from all World of Warcraft products, including subscriptions, boxed products, expansion packs, liscensing royalties, and value-added services. It also includes revenue from Call of Duty Elite memberships."
    Hell it even states it includes box sales and other services as you have correctly pointed to Osmeric. Then they even state it includes CoD in it as well. BenBos blinkered much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    Yeah I quit World of Crapcraft a long time ago. I just got bored with how repetitive it is and how there is nothing to do unless you are a basement dwelling nolifer who spends hours of time in that game.

    I have since moved on to greener pastures and now I am happily playing Guildwars 2, Rift, and SWToR
    I have one question if you no longer play WoW why the heck do you care about how the subs are for it or do you like creating bait threads just for the heck of it.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by BenBos View Post
    Easy really since Blizzard has open books for their stockholders and I am one of them.


    You insult the entire forum here by assuming anyone would believe this...

    I don't think Blizzard would let 16 year olds become stockholders anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    I have one question if you no longer play WoW why the heck do you care about how the subs are for it or do you like creating bait threads just for the heck of it.
    Forums and echo chambers are not the same things.
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  15. #75
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    Why would you like to know what my prediction will be Jaylock ?

  16. #76
    Likely another 500-750k dropped.

    Whatever raid boss I'm currently stuck on will be the reason that all those folks left too though, you can be certain.
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  17. #77
    No matter how much Blizzard keeps repeating it, ToT is not as good as Ulduar and ICC and Lei Shen is not as good as Yogg, LK or Ragnaros.

    Subs will go down, but not entirely, not even mainly, because of ToT. Blizzard keeps not solving their big problem, which is the lack of dungeons and the huge grind they are asking to do something in the game.

    Heroic scenarios will fail as much as scenarios did, because people are not looking for a challenging version of an scenario and Blizzard keeps completely out of touch with what the players want.

    If Blizzard is lucky, this expansion will end with 7 millon subs and will be remembered as the biggest failure in WoW's history.

    But is more likely that the expansion will end in the 6 millon range.
    Last edited by Crashdummy; 2013-05-17 at 12:40 PM.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post


    You insult the entire forum here by assuming anyone would believe this...

    I don't think Blizzard would let 16 year olds become stockholders anyway.
    My Activision Blizzard stock is currently worth 98788 Euro

    Also the elite service CoD stopped being a paid service at the end of 2012

    And no atvi is just a small part of our portfolio. Most of it consists of packages managed by our bank. So you are way off thinking this is just a hobby of mine.

    The 275 million gaap/228 million non gaap for just this quarter shows Blzzard carries these 8.3 million subs, whether haters like that or not.



    Last edited by BenBos; 2013-05-17 at 12:47 PM.

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    I think lower but they will rise in Q3 or later with SoO coming out.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukhoi View Post
    New expansion=more subs. Expansion gets old=subs drop back off. Blue posted. Enough of these threads. Blizzards not worried.
    Dont fool yourself, they are worried, they just cant make it public.

    Al this interviews from friends working in fan sites they are doing to try to make people think ToT is so good and trying to create expectations on the Barrens escalation thing (which is just lame that this is what they are using to try to keep people on) shows that they are really worried.

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