View Poll Results: What are your sub predictions for Q2, 2013?

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  1. #161
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    If its "bring youre chinpokumon to work day on the back of a kungfu panda" 2.0 theme then yea im done lol
    If its going to be something dark like Lich King then im sold.
    Well I hope for some darkness and mean enemy too. MoP was supposed to be a moment of rest & beauty before the next big thing wants to destroy our World.

    Still, I'm really enjoying MoP for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tru View Post
    If its "bring youre chinpokumon to work day on the back of a kungfu panda" 2.0 theme then yea im done lol
    If its going to be something dark like Lich King then im sold.
    yah i totally have the same feeling about war-locky fel puke rehash of BClol 2.0. gain one lose one i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    AAAAND KABLAAAAM!!!!

    Blizzard press release: Subs over 10 million - October 4th!!!

    http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company...tml?id=7473409

    ONE WEEK AFTER RELEASE OF PANDARIA/QUARTER ENDS

    Activision/Investor call 1 MONTH later - Nov 7th
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11...ns-back-above/

    How do you like them apples, Zanzul? :P Blizzard DOES release sub information early when it's IN THEIR FAVOR.
    Well Mvallas, A new expansion did come out that is 1 reason why they released sub numbers out early (It obviously good for buisness) and when Novemeber came it was suppose to report Q3 2012. September is the last month in Q3 & we knew what they were already, we wont see a sub change after 5 - 6 days as they had already reported them with the new expansion, so they didn't need to report them again.

    If you can prove to me in the last 2 - 3 years, That Blizzard has released sub numbers early that isn't linked to when a new expansion comes out than, please do so. I honestly havn't seen sub numbers come out early any other time than when a new expansion comes out. But basically when a new product does comes out it is pretty obvious that a company will release numbers early as it is good for business once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Challenger! View Post
    dat brand of xanzul illiteracy.

    Must be convenient to ignore everything said just so you can continue to scream at the top of your lungs in an echo chamber, huh? I'm not even going to bother repeating what I said, because you already quoted me once, you can go back and reread what I said until it clicks, if ever.

    Besides, this way is far more humorous.



    I agreed up until...



    xanzul is hilariously sycophantic to the point where even if you agree that all this unabashed bashing (just generalizing, not calling anyone out) is unnecessary and rude, he'll still try to shove some excuse about WoW. One of the few quality posters here on MMO-Champ, if you ask me.

    That said, I agree. Quarterly sub numbers are a complete double-edged sword. On the one hand, having a static number attracts potential customers, but on the other, it also brings in detractors. In my opinion, either one is venom. If you are playing a game for the numbers, then there is a problem.
    No No sir, its everything not only WoW, But any game on MMO-Champ. Ya its not right to call people out, but in sense people use these kind of threads to do the exact same thing but they call out a game that they apprently don't like, why waste the time to do so. Everyone knows these kind of threads bring the fanboys & trolls in for an all-out war about who is right & wrong and no side wins until a mod gives out the first infraction or the thread is closed.

    I don't support what Xanzul says or what the others (They know who they are) say either, your all just acting like children in general. The Asian market has changed and will continue, its like I said before WoW may of been success in the Eastern Market before, but may not anymore. WoW is a successful Western Market MMO and will continue to be. You can't rule a market forever & Blizzard prbly knows this. But if people in Asia enjoy WoW still they can, its not like WoW is dead in China, its just not the popular one over there anymore & it toke 8 years to do that. But its still the popular one in the Western Market. F2P in China blossomed out of nowhere, you can't combat that.

    Pann is 100% right about one thing, F2P in China basically blindsided Blizzard / Netease, you can't combat F2P with a P2P that is 8 years old and showing its age, maybe in the West you can. But Eastern you can't.
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  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Archdruid Dehydrate View Post
    Well Mvallas, A new expansion did come out that is 1 reason why they released sub numbers out early (It obviously good for buisness) and when Novemeber came it was suppose to report Q3 2012. September is the last month in Q3 & we knew what they were already, we wont see a sub change after 5 - 6 days as they had already reported them with the new expansion, so they didn't need to report them again.

    If you can prove to me in the last 2 - 3 years, That Blizzard has released sub numbers early that isn't linked to when a new expansion comes out than, please do so. I honestly havn't seen sub numbers come out early any other time than when a new expansion comes out. But basically when a new product does comes out it is pretty obvious that a company will release numbers early as it is good for business once again.
    And I BELIEVE you should re-read the reason I wrote that.

    My statement was "Right as the quarter ended, Blizzard posted their numbers 1 week after the quarter ended." That was my point... they HAVE the numbers right away - and when they're up, they report them RIGHT AWAY. Zanzul says they don't and never posted that, and that it was "misinformation".

    It doesn't matter weither it's on the coat-tails of a new expansion or not... the point is they have the subscription numbers 1 week after, and post them if they're up.

    ...are you seriously suggesting that JUST because it's not an expansion in Q2 that they WON'T put out a press-release and hype it up for an extra month that the subs are up and just wait one month for it to happen? Seriously?

    Also... the subs only ever went up ONCE in 2-3 years in that time bracket you're giving me... and it was in that quarter. You know damn-well I can't find any other info within that time frame as there never was another time the numbers went up - period. :P
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    this came early.... geez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killidan View Post
    Yes, ToT seemed to be well done. I enjoyed it when I tried few first bosses. Dungeon itself was visually stunning as well.

    Yet, I unsubbed soon after. Why? Realm dead. No raid scene or decent raiding guild on the realm. I hate LFR and don't want free epics. Heroic dungeons are faceroll. I got most reps and there is no gear reward for exalted. Nothing for me to do. I still had unfinished zones, Kunlai Summit, etc. But I got bored and annoyed with the quests because of all the pandas and rats and rabbits that I dislike and do not take seriously. I would stay for in-game friends and my guild so I could hang out with them, but, oh wait, now I don't have those anymore as Blizz killed those with LFD/LFR and 10-man raids, what's left is a solo game. So I unsubbed.

    ToT being good makes no difference to me.
    This guy sums up why I unsubbed tho with an extra point was is that there were too many dailies at start. The game killed off nearly 80% of the people I knew, being also on a dead realm, I couldn't do anything much.

    OT; I believe it will fall to 7.6m and worst case is 7.1m. Also, how many times has Jaylock been banned?

  8. #168
    I'm guessing lower and based on what Blizzard said they are as well.

    At this point WoW just isn't bringing in new players. Everyone who has ever thought about trying it has trying it, nobody is going to just start up buying a bunch of expansions and stuff for an 8 year old game.

    The only people that can cause subs to rise are ex-players, and they also don't seem to be interested.

    I would imagine that WoW will slowly lose players every quarter from now on. When new expansions come out this loss might stop or even temporarily reverse, but WoW's heyday is behind it.

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Leslie View Post
    http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company...tml?id=2847881

    Does this help either person's argument?
    Well well! Thank you much for finding that! October 7th (one week after Q3) - WOW hits 12 million before the announced Q3 findings, and 2 months before Cataclysm's release.

    Thanks! So much for Archdruid Dehydrate's theory! ^_^

    EDIT: Sad to see that this was the last moment... it just went down from there. =(
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  10. #170
    "Empty" 5.3 patch with content, that will be consumed in 1-2 days, summer, overall declining of players interest to this game, collapsing of China community = very big loss in Q2. May be even bigger, then in Q1.
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  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    AAAAND KABLAAAAM!!!!

    Blizzard press release: Subs over 10 million - October 4th!!!

    http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company...tml?id=7473409

    ONE WEEK AFTER RELEASE OF PANDARIA/QUARTER ENDS

    Activision/Investor call 1 MONTH later - Nov 7th
    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/11...ns-back-above/

    How do you like them apples, Zanzul? :P Blizzard DOES release sub information early when it's IN THEIR FAVOR.

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    The above proves you wrong... please read. ^_^
    Good god NO ONE can possibly be this dense.

    I said no less than three different times in this thread alone (not to mention more than a few others where you spread the same erroneous information) that Blizzard only announces sub numbers when expansions are released or shareholder calls. How the fuck is linking me an announcement less than a week after Mop release prove me wrong in the slightest? What the fuck is wrong with you? Seriously?

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 06:27 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Thetruth1400 View Post
    I expect in the least 300K losses. More realistically though, I expect close to 800K for a total of 7.5 million subs. Content may be coming faster, but it's not the quality the players expect. They love to talk about how their resources are precious, but then they focus on pet battle spectating. I've never once heard anyone say, "Man, I sure wish I could watch others as they pet battle!" A complete waste of time and resources for no real reward. To me, it almost seems like they're trying to destroy WoW on purpose.
    For the millionth time the people who work on pet battles are NOT the same people who work on raids nor are they the same people who work on things like character models, customer service, or any sort of content development. Different people do different things. When Blizzard says they "don't have resources" what they mean is they don't want to waste resources on a player's particular pet issue. Can they afford to? Of course. Is it a sustainable business model to constantly hire on new developers and artists and other staff simply to give every customer what they demand? Nope. Not even close.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 06:29 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinndra View Post
    failure to read their reasons for the change is your fault. it isnt a full fledged spectator mode. this only happens during wild pet fights out in the world. because it looks completely unnatural to see a player standing idle in a place they have little other reason to be at. you cant queue up to watch somebody pet battle. you cant try to watch your two friends or guildies pet battle each other. you can only see when a player out in the world is fighting a battle pet.

    this is nothing in comparison to the time and resources needed to create an ENTIRE mode of gameplay. spectating wild pet battles is barely different from watching two people duel outside of Org/SW.
    Its funny how many of the people on these forums bitch and whine and moan about breaking immersion yet the second that Blizzard does anything to preserve immersion they are the first to flame Blizzard for it.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 06:32 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by A Challenger! View Post
    dat brand of xanzul illiteracy.

    Must be convenient to ignore everything said just so you can continue to scream at the top of your lungs in an echo chamber, huh? I'm not even going to bother repeating what I said, because you already quoted me once, you can go back and reread what I said until it clicks, if ever.

    Besides, this way is far more humorous.



    I agreed up until...



    xanzul is hilariously sycophantic to the point where even if you agree that all this unabashed bashing (just generalizing, not calling anyone out) is unnecessary and rude, he'll still try to shove some excuse about WoW. One of the few quality posters here on MMO-Champ, if you ask me.

    That said, I agree. Quarterly sub numbers are a complete double-edged sword. On the one hand, having a static number attracts potential customers, but on the other, it also brings in detractors. In my opinion, either one is venom. If you are playing a game for the numbers, then there is a problem.
    I'm not more a sycophant for Blizzard than you and the other haters are for GW2 or any other game people decide to claim is better than Wow or killing Wow. Just because I'm not jumping up and down screaming frothing at the mouth whenever Blizzard does or says anything doesn't make me a fanboy or anything else. In all honesty if you people hate Blizzard and Wow so much then MOVE THE FUCK ON ALREADY. There is NO reason to be on these forums day in day out bitching and whining and moaning and sniveling about a game all of you have made clear you consider subpar and a waste of time. If that is how you truly feel put your money where your mouth is and GTFO.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 06:39 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Kinda ironic you look down on people that play an MMO for numbers, then go on to say "Considering WoW is still the biggest/ most populated out there." and "...I wish you luck in finding an mmo with a bigger playerbase."
    You realize the reason people bring up Wow's subscribers is because you and many others continually run around screaming at the top of your lungs that Wow is dead or dying right? Context matters. I rarely see people even bring that up until haters start in with their bullshit.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 06:43 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by daltron View Post
    Unless there's some amazing offer in June, I'm expecting another 1 million drop. 5.2 didn't put a bandage on the bleeding subs so I'm not sure if new content is enough anymore. The last minute annual pass users for D3 is about to end too.

    Also Blizzard already mentioned to expect more sub losses before the end of the year so, they must know the current April-May trend isn't looking too hot.

    Even if they do something like another revamp of a Scroll of Resurrection, it's nothing to do with improving the game and it screams short term goals.
    I like how people continually assume the only reason people leave the game is because the game is crap. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with outgrowing the game and moving on or any number of other issues having NOTHING to do with quality of content. Nope people only leave because Wow is crap. Yep no other reason at all ever. It is funny how I get accused of being a fanboy but anyone spouting this crap gets off scot free despite it being mindless irrational unmitigated hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tru View Post
    Yea ive heard good things about it the raid itself isnt the main reason i stopped/didnt come back there is just so much about this game that I dont like anymore that IMHO I feel like only the next xpac is going to bring any significant changes. The sub numbers on the current trend say they need to do something fan fkin tastic with 6.0 and im not totally giving up on blizz until we start getting some info on what they have planned.

    If its "bring youre chinpokumon to work day on the back of a kungfu panda" 2.0 theme then yea im done lol
    If its going to be something dark like Lich King then im sold.
    In all honesty people with your insulting and bigoted attitude are more than welcome to not come back.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-18 at 06:55 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by AVPaul View Post
    "Empty" 5.3 patch with content, that will be consumed in 1-2 days, summer, overall declining of players interest to this game, collapsing of China community = very big loss in Q2. May be even bigger, then in Q1.
    It isn't empty. It has a significant number of player requested quality of life changes such as reduced leveling time 85-90 and cheaper heirlooms and it will now be far easier to get into pvp without having to spend a lot of time grinding gear. I really honest to god don't understand given all the bitching about how "crappy" Wow is that improvements to the game are considered "empty". That right there says it all about the motivation behind the hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    You realize the reason people bring up Wow's subscribers is because you and many others continually run around screaming at the top of your lungs that Wow is dead or dying right? Context matters. I rarely see people even bring that up until haters start in with their bullshit.
    I have never said that WOW is dead or dying, although it is certainly not healthy and needs some immediate attention at the moment, at any volume let alone at the top of my lungs. I am not surprised that you do not see people bringing up sub numbers until the haters start as has been clearly shown in this thread you only read what you want to see.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    I have never said that WOW is dead or dying, although it is certainly not healthy and needs some immediate attention at the moment, at any volume let alone at the top of my lungs. I am not surprised that you do not see people bringing up sub numbers until the haters start as has been clearly shown in this thread you only read what you want to see.
    No I read what is actually said and comment on it. If you don't want me responding to you and others based on that then maybe you people should start saying what you mean rather than what ends up being posted.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    It isn't empty. It has a significant number of player requested quality of life changes such as reduced leveling time 85-90 and cheaper heirlooms and it will now be far easier to get into pvp without having to spend a lot of time grinding gear. I really honest to god don't understand given all the bitching about how "crappy" Wow is that improvements to the game are considered "empty". That right there says it all about the motivation behind the hate.
    wow, reduced time to level from 85-90. that will really bring the people flooding back. and cheaper heirlooms will make it even QUICKER to get through the content.

    so, you are defending the developers of the game, on the basis they are bringing in two changes that mean people can finish a part of their game quicker. its weird, most games that i enjoy i dont want to end at all. making them quicker would be a negative change. i guess WoW these days just works a little differently.
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  15. #175
    4m. So you guys finally would have won. WoW is officially dead and guys like me who really enjoy this game could browse mmo-c without this stupid threads showing up everywhere.

    By the way, how many "infractions" does it need for Jaylock to be bannend permanently?
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  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    No I read what is actually said and comment on it. If you don't want me responding to you and others based on that then maybe you people should start saying what you mean rather than what ends up being posted.
    I'm sorry but I cannot write every single post with Will Xanzul take this wrong way in mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    4m. So you guys finally would have won. WoW is officially dead and guys like me who really enjoy this game could browse mmo-c without this stupid threads showing up everywhere.
    You know you don't have to read these threads? No one is forcing you to, in fact I'm pretty sure had the people arguing on Blizzard's behalf had not posted in this thread it would have dropped off of the front page long ago.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    You know you don't have to read these threads? No one is forcing you to, in fact I'm pretty sure had the people arguing on Blizzard's behalf had not posted in this thread it would have dropped off of the front page long ago.
    Yes, these thread add so much of value to the game and mankind! Pulling numbers out of our asses and then making reasons up why WoW is shrinking. And in the end nothing is accomplished. The "WoW is dying because it's too hard" fraction will never ever listen to the "WoW is dying because it's too easy" fraction. These threads add nothing and accomplish nothing. Oh, I'm worng. They are a way to push the postcounter without saying anything of value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbl3 View Post
    Yes, these thread add so much of value to the game and mankind! Pulling numbers out of our asses and then making reasons up why WoW is shrinking. And in the end nothing is accomplished. The "WoW is dying because it's too hard" fraction will never ever listen to the "WoW is dying because it's too easy" fraction. These threads add nothing and accomplish nothing. Oh, I'm worng. They are a way to push the postcounter without saying anything of value.
    You could say the same about all of the threads on this site.

    This thread is about predicting the sub numbers for Q2 of course many people will get it wrong if you look at the thread for Q1 the majority of people thought it would be no higher than 300k.

    Like it or not WOW is not in good shape, should we just ignore that or should we discuss what we think is behind it? Surely by discussing the problems we perceive with WOW we can give Blizzard a better idea of how the player base feels and how they can deal with it?

    Well you've got two extra posts out of this very page so don't knock it.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    You could say the same about all of the threads on this site.

    This thread is about predicting the sub numbers for Q2 of course many people will get it wrong if you look at the thread for Q1 the majority of people thought it would be no higher than 300k.

    Like it or not WOW is not in good shape, should we just ignore that or should we discuss what we think is behind it? Surely by discussing the problems we perceive with WOW we can give Blizzard a better idea of how the player base feels and how they can deal with it?

    Well you've got two extra posts out of this very page so don't knock it.
    I think WoW is doing fine. If WoW is "not in good shape". What state is EVE in, with 500k subs?

    Lots of people say EVE is in amazing shape for how old it is.

    It is all relative, are they making as much money when WoW has 12 million subs sure they are not, but "not in a good shape" sorry that is total utter BS.

    Do you think threads like these are "discussing the problem" its just a thread for fanbois and haters to fight in, there is not a single constructive post in this entire thread (including mine!).

    I wish more than anything MMO-C did try to discuss the problem but most threads are just haters and fanbois going at it.

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Quilzar View Post
    I think WoW is doing fine. If WoW is "not in good shape". What state is EVE in, with 500k subs?

    Lots of people say EVE is in amazing shape for how old it is.

    It is all relative, are they making as much money when WoW has 12 million subs sure they are not, but "not in a good shape" sorry that is total utter BS.

    Do you think threads like these are "discussing the problem" its just a thread for fanbois and haters to fight in, there is not a single constructive post in this entire thread (including mine!).

    I wish more than anything MMO-C did try to discuss the problem but most threads are just haters and fanbois going at it.
    Any business or product that is losing customers and has been doing so for over two years is not in good shape regardless of how large it is. If the losses continue at the current rate, although they will slow down at some point, WOW will have less players than Eve in two years time that is a truly frightening prospect.

    That is my point as soon as a thread like this pops up it is immediately jumped on by people that feel they have to defend Blizzard but don't get me wrong I do think that part of the point of this thread was to get that reaction.

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