Last edited by Dreknar20; 2013-05-19 at 01:17 AM.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
Wow this one is the top. You know that the very reason for which this game have a lot of paper is because a MMORPG is not the best kind of game for telling stories compared to a RTS right? That the majority of the player base are soft-hard-HARDER PvP guys or casual-medium-hardcore raiders that doesn't give a FUCK about the lore? You cannot pretend to have all the story in a game in which most players will simply ignore it.
Last edited by Zulkhan; 2013-05-19 at 02:44 AM.
Only as an Orc would I side with Garrosh, he's pretty much pissed off every other race but has done it to elevate the Orcs.
I can agree with this to a point, but another big part of Garrosh's character is that he tries to impress the Orcs by being brutal. He was judged or praised a lot when he first entered the Horde, simply for being a brown orc. Some people saw him as weak, some people saw him as a sign of hope, some people were jealous, and some people only knew that he was a Hellscream and damned him (something that seems to happen in real life discussions of him as well).
It would make sense that, if Garrosh was going to try to impress everyone, he would do things "the orc way" and try to show the might of the orcs. However, it's clear he simply took it too far at this point. Plus, his words have made himself many enemies.
My guess anyway is that Garrosh it is not excatly the type of person that accepts easily honest criticism, especially if a non-orc do so. If an orc try to do so, he will simply ignore him instead of just outright insulting him (as he did with Vol'jin), like he probably did with Eitrigg.
Garrosh's ideal council of advisors would be an epic bunch of "yes man".
Last edited by Zulkhan; 2013-05-19 at 02:49 AM.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
We get to throw some Orgrimmar's walls down and have that nutcase slain/sacked? Count me in!
I would side with Garrosh for one reason only.
Garrosh is a strong supporter of World PVP and he would provide us dailies of killing Alliance players
The novel Thrall: Twilight of Aspects I think handled it better. The problem with Elemental Bonds in 4.2 was that it was a glaring case of the writers failing the premise of 'show don't tell' when it comes to character traits. We don't see those flaws affecting his actions or affecting his life. We see them shouted from the rooftop only for Aggra to help him overcome those flaws in the very same questline they're introduced in. Take Garrosh for example. We don't need his subconscious manifesting to tell us that he's ruthless and proud to a fault. For that questline to work, it would have needed to set up those character flaws in advance.
all you spineless Garrosh hating pansies take your cuddly ideals and go join the alliance... take your bloodelves with you
HELLSCREAM!!!!
Summarizes how I feel about Garrosh in MoP. In Cataclysm he wasn't that big of a douchebag, as he's only being aggressive for what's best of the Horde (other than racial leaders' tension between him and Sylvanas and Vol'jin). Now he's being aggressive for superiority through even more immoral means such as 'controlling' the Sha which I dislike.
It was, but that was also an occasion for Thrall's undying haters to see his desire to have a family like something TOO HOLY, GOOD, SWEETY CRAP and so he's still a mary sue (???)
I think that the Elemental Bonds chain wasn't handled in the best way. However, different characters are different; some characters are supposed to sucumb to their flaws, others not; Thrall's way of handle them was to acknowledge them, not belive that he doesn't have, and then try to overcome them for follow a path in which he couldn't let himself be plagued by fears and doubts; so it's normal that beside the Elemental Bonds we don't see anymore a Thrall doubting all the time what he have to do, otherwise he would have miserably failed.
However, grave consequences of bad choices took by him from the past still linger nowdays with the whole matter of Garrosh. In the 5.1, when he aids the Darkspear from the Kor'kron's roflstomping, he have doubts again, about which was the right choice to do, because he doesn't belive that kill his people until they miraculously change idea is the best thing to do, and in the 5.3 these doubts are again shown, reason for which he decides to go to Orgrimmar, for belive and be sure that not all the orcs sustain Garrosh.
He didn't return saying "Haa haaaaa, Garrosh you dumbass sucker, i saved the world and i'm a perfect and flawless person now, i'll show you which is the coolest and right orc, you misbigotten whelp!"
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You can take all your lust of dominance and mindless pride and join the Dark Horde. You'll miss the harsh desert of Durotar when you'll arrive at the Blackrock Mountain...
Last edited by Zulkhan; 2013-05-20 at 05:02 PM.
Another reason people hate his 4.2 chain is that it derails the restoration of Nordrassil plot so it can end with Thrall's wedding, and that Staghelm's only major appearance outside of the raid was having him thrown a Thrall because lolprophecy rather than giving him any development with Malfurion, instead only having the Guardians of Hyjal encounter a character they made up for the patch in Leyara.
He was.
But at least he was trying.
Now he doesn't even have that going for him. All his principles and redeeming qualities were tossed right out the window like a shotput. He's no longer the brash but hoinourbale and principled orc, he's 100% raging douchenozzle.