View Poll Results: As a Horde player, would you rather side with the Darkspear Rebellion or Warchief?

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    135 28.42%
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  1. #141
    And you know the ones who complained about having this freedom, those that were not happy with it? It was the bloodthirsty warsong'isk orcs
    And yet Grom with WSG joined Thrall & orgrim to help out. Also followed Thrall without questioning him. I still blame Thrall for the war between NE's and WSG. It was he that forced Grom to stay in Ashenvale and build a camp. Because of the woods WSG cutted down, the war began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    The Irony is hes just become as bad as his father if not worse. The one thing he was scared of and hated the most.
    there's plenty of irony

    another being him wanting to be remembered as a great hero of the Horde
    Well, he definatly will be remembered, but maybe not for the reasons he expects/wants
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    Quote Originally Posted by Restors View Post
    And yet Grom with WSG joined Thrall & orgrim to help out. Also followed Thrall without questioning him. I still blame Thrall for the war between NE's and WSG. It was he that forced Grom to stay in Ashenvale and build a camp. Because of the woods WSG cutted down, the war began.
    In Thralls defense it was ignorance. He wanted Grom away from a potential fight with the humans as he was a liability he made a comment on his bloodlust was something he could not afford to have. So he sent him and his clan away to construct a camp/city while he went in search of this Oracle.

  4. #144
    If other orcs don't value diplomacy, then maybe it's the time for non-orc Warchief, or indeed - non-orc Horde. The orcs can fight their wars alone.
    I agree and disagree.. I agree that something needs to be done, but a non-orc warchief? I might buy that blizzard puts someone in charge who have the same believes as Thrall, but the orcs are the heart of the horde, as much as humans are for the alliance, would be kind of hard for me to follow a non-orcish warchief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    who is exactly are these "innocents" that your talking about?
    For one, the druids and anyone who got in his way in Ashenvale/Stonetalon. I doubt he was gathering resources peacefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    He wanted Grom away from a potential fight with the humans as he was a liability he made a comment on his bloodlust was something he could not afford to have. .
    In hind-sight, he should have taken Grom with him. Thrall needed to slaughter humans to get to the Oracle anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by katji View Post
    For one, the druids and anyone who got in his way in Ashenvale/Stonetalon. I doubt he was gathering resources peacefully.
    thats how war works.
    A nation cannot gain power/land without taking. For someone to gain, someone else has to lose.
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    What about this doesn't make sense? The guy is a complete monster to the entire Alliance, and has zero regard for about 90% of the Horde too. He's ALWAYS had little support from the playerbase compared to his detractors, and that was long before they decided to shake up their plans and make that canon.
    Sadly Varian was a complete dick to the Horde as well, but it seems he's undergoing a personality shift away from the Garrosh clone he was in wrath.

    Would have been fun to have Varian as the final boss of MOP.
    Last edited by Briga; 2013-05-17 at 11:23 AM.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Trade...something the Night Elves refused to do
    The ongoing deforestation of Ashenvale and wrecking of Azshara by goblins might have something to do with that. Nelfs and Horde have a common link: the Cenarion Circle. They could feasibly work out an agreement, but then you can't have a tyrant in charge for that.

    Orc presence in Ashenvale is on a borrowed time anyway, with Stormrage AND Cenarius active nowadays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    And its better to own said resources than to have to pay for them.
    ...then Garrosh will reap what he sow. By the same philosophy, it's better to depose/kill the warmonger who keeps taking your stuff than to ignore him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    thats how war works.
    A nation cannot gain power/land without taking. For someone to gain, someone else has to lose.
    That's pretty much the long and short of it: if you decide that the strongest rules, you have to accept that one day you might not be the strongest anymore.

    Garrosh made his bed, and now he'll be destroyed at his own game, by his own rules.
    Last edited by earthwarden; 2013-05-17 at 11:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restors View Post
    And yet Grom with WSG joined Thrall & orgrim to help out. Also followed Thrall without questioning him. I still blame Thrall for the war between NE's and WSG. It was he that forced Grom to stay in Ashenvale and build a camp. Because of the woods WSG cutted down, the war began.
    rubbish. the warsong orcs were with the horde, and Thrall, who saw that anger and frustation, put them where they were in ashenvale to collect wood for orgrimmar, to keep them focused on something, instead of going on wanting to kill something. Yet they still did, with the night elves.

    Warsong are the problem in this and there screwed up mentality, crying victim but always wanting more of it.
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  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    In hind-sight, he should have taken Grom with him. Thrall needed to slaughter humans to get to the Oracle anyways

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    thats how war works.
    A nation cannot gain power/land without taking. For someone to gain, someone else has to lose.
    True, but then he might have attacked recklessly and got them selves in trouble. I do think Garrosh could have been given a different direction. After Thrall tells him in Nagrand about his father I would have preferred Garrosh to have been a character who like saurfang will dispense the warchiefs law but won't repeat mistakes of the past.

    Pretty much what the younger saurfang would have been. infact fuck it why wasnt it garry who was killed at wrathgate and saurfang now our warchief :/

  12. #152
    and again..he is a million times worse than his father..get real..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    This makes no sense. The location of the dungeons was all across Azeroth. From Tol'vir to Vasj'ir the Horde was conquering and pillaging.
    You still sat on your bum in Orgrimmar - waiting. I'm not talking about a story perspective though.

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  14. #154
    rubbish. the warsong orcs were with the horde, and Thrall, who saw that anger and frustation, put them where they were in ashenvale to collect wood for orgrimmar, to keep them focused on something, instead of going on wanting to kill something. Yet they still did, with the night elves.

    Warsong are the problem in this and there screwed up mentality, crying victim but always wanting more of it.
    and without WSG clan, orcs would still be imprisoned by the humans. Who do you think set all the orcs free, Thrall and orgrim themselves? Frostwolf clan in their emo state and Blackrock clan following Rend blackhand. Thrall managed alot only with the help of the remaining free orcs of WSG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    thats how war works.
    A nation cannot gain power/land without taking. For someone to gain, someone else has to lose.
    Again, I know this. Are you trying to teach a lesson, or are you trying to state that killing innocent people is right? That Garrosh is doing the right thing. Seems like you're avoiding the entire subject of: innocents dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earthwarden View Post
    The ongoing deforestation of Ashenvale and wrecking of Azshara by goblins might have something to do with that.
    I was talking more about the time before Cataclysm, during the Shattering

    The Night Elves were not in a talking mood for diplomacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by katji View Post
    Again, I know this. Are you trying to teach a lesson, or are you trying to state that killing innocent people is right? That Garrosh is doing the right thing. Seems like you're avoiding the entire subject of: innocents dying.
    still confused as to which people you are saying are innocents....
    You mean civilians being killed and displaced?
    Thats how war and conquering works, it is literally impossible for civilian populations to be un-scathed during war
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  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    I was talking more about the time before Cataclysm, during the Shattering

    The Night Elves were not in a talking mood for diplomacy
    Before the Cataclysm?

    The Horde had set up camp in Ashenvale, goblin shredders and all, back in Warcraft 3 and never left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    I do think Garrosh could have been given a different direction. After Thrall tells him in Nagrand about his father I would have preferred Garrosh to have been a character who like saurfang will dispense the warchiefs law but won't repeat mistakes of the past.
    It really should have been like that.
    The son of Grom Hellscream had more potential than what is happending now

    Plus I really do not like the idea of civil war, of Horde killing Horde
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  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    I was talking more about the time before Cataclysm, during the Shattering

    The Night Elves were not in a talking mood for diplomacy
    Before the Cataclysm?

    The Warsong had set up camp in Ashenvale, goblin shredders and all, back in Warcraft 3 and never left.
    And I guess killing off their demi-god cenarius didn't make things any easier

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Restors View Post
    And I guess killing off their demi-god cenarius didn't make things any easier
    The Horde saved the world tree from being humped by Archimonde, and Cenarius came back and is like "its cool bro" to the Horde in cata.

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