View Poll Results: As a Horde player, would you rather side with the Darkspear Rebellion or Warchief?

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    135 28.42%
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  1. #341
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    4.2 story is so bad, putting it in game was mistake. OMG GOEL HAZ BAD FEELINGS TOO !!! Well too bad he fully controll them on daily basis so who cares he might be a little angry inside (add the fact that it was accelerated by power of firelands too). Oh and dat wedding. God dammit that was bad.

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    4.2 story is so bad, putting it in game was mistake. OMG GOEL HAZ BAD FEELINGS TOO !!! Well too bad he fully controll them on daily basis so who cares he might be a little angry inside (add the fact that it was accelerated by power of firelands too). Oh and dat wedding. God dammit that was bad.
    The point is that he is shown to have flaws. Mary sues don't have those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    The point is that he is shown to have flaws. Mary sues don't have those.
    And what flaws exactly 4.2 showed ? His perfect self controll ? Or ability to sacrefice personal needs for greater good ? I guess wanting to hit on aggra can be considered as sexual deviation so i give you that one.

  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    The point is that he is shown to have flaws. Mary sues don't have those.
    Yeah, those flaws that dont affect anything or are never shown again.

  5. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    And what flaws exactly 4.2 showed ? His perfect self controll ? Or ability to sacrefice personal needs for greater good ? I guess wanting to hit on aggra can be considered as sexual deviation so i give you that one.
    His choice of making Garrosh warchief is a big one, his emotions being inhibiting of his work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Yeah, those flaws that dont affect anything or are never shown again.
    Except in the numerous books that have him in there. He's got plenty of recurring flaws.

  6. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    Yeah sorry, no. Thrall's not a mary sue. 4.2 is a testament to that.

    Like I have said, you seem to just want to use the term to say you don't like the character or how he has progressed, but that's not the real meaning of the term. It symbolizes an inherently broken, perfect character. Thrall's not that. He's got flaws, he's got criticizers (who AREN'T villians, this is the key part)... he's pretty human (metaphorically speaking).
    Thrall is not Mary Sue, because he can doubt his own actions or get angry? While saving the planet at every possible occasion like Jesus, with a (willing or mandatory, but always) universal help and support from his allies and enemies alike? sorry, I would like to see some of his "wrong" decisions or feelings to have some effects, rather than "I always deal with my inner self and at the end I manage to save the world nevertheless, oh btw, I am so humble that I can even put my warchief mantle aside and busy myself with higher duties such as killing a mad aspect while doing my wife in my free time"

  7. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by kharyll View Post
    Thrall is not Mary Sue, because he can doubt his own actions or get angry? While saving the planet at every possible occasion like Jesus, with a (willing or mandatory, but always) universal help and support from his allies and enemies alike? sorry, I would like to see some of his "wrong" decisions or feelings to have some effects, rather than "I always deal with my inner self and at the end I manage to save the world nevertheless, oh btw, I am so humble that I can even put my warchief mantle aside and busy myself with higher duties such as killing a mad aspect while doing my wife in my free time"
    Thrall's not a mary sue because he has people who dislike him and what he did / does and yet aren't portrayed as villians.

    Thrall's not a mary sue because he's got recurring conflicts more than a tortured past and a villian ahead.

    Thrall's not a mary sue because he's had to struggle - legitimately struggle - to achieve his goals.

    You might want to actually read the books and the like. They'd enlighten you.

  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    You might want to actually read the books and the like. They'd enlighten you.
    That overpriced toilet paper will do anything but enlighten you.

  9. #349
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    I would side with Garrosh no questions asked.

  10. #350
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    That overpriced toilet paper will do anything but enlighten you.
    Well if you're opposed to actually learning about how characters you criticize aren't what you believe them to be, then sure.

    But if you don't mind to be proven wrong they're certainly a useful tool in that regard, at least in your case.

    Ultimately though you're entitled to your opinions on whether you like or dislike a character, but to attempt to try and say something that is quantitatively untrue... that's not very good.

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    I mean, what's the point of having a game called WARcraft with warchief like Thrall who does nothing but whine like an old hag?

    Orcs were brutal and warlike race once, but WarCraft 3 kind of ruined that.

    Sure you may say this is good and that is evil, but the truth is there are never good/bad sides. It's all one big gray area and not just in stories, in our own history as well.

  12. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    Thrall's not a mary sue because he has people who dislike him and what he did / does and yet aren't portrayed as villians.

    Thrall's not a mary sue because he's got recurring conflicts more than a tortured past and a villian ahead.

    Thrall's not a mary sue because he's had to struggle - legitimately struggle - to achieve his goals.

    You might want to actually read the books and the like. They'd enlighten you.
    If I have to read the books to understand the story of the game, that is a failure of Blizzard and makes the entire point unworthy of discussion.

    Until those flaws have a noticeable IN-GAME effect, Thrall is definitely a Mary Sue, with one token flaw (his choice of Garrosh).

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    Incredibly disappointed with the direction they've taken Garrosh, but there's no doubt that if the only options now are Garrosh as a power hungry lunatic or Garrosh as a corpse, I choose Garrosh as a corpse.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by darkwarrior42 View Post
    If I have to read the books to understand the story of the game, that is a failure of Blizzard and makes the entire point unworthy of discussion.

    Until those flaws have a noticeable IN-GAME effect, Thrall is definitely a Mary Sue, with one token flaw (his choice of Garrosh).
    That's not how mary suedom works.

    That's simply an example of bad transition from canon lore to the MMORPG medium.

    Still, as I've pointed out there are examples of Thrall's flaws, moreso than just his choice of Garrosh, which is significant enough to prove the guy's obviously not a mary sue.

    A mary sue wouldn't have made a decision that has negative effects for two entire expansions, a decision which, I might remind you, is a significant basis for this current expansion's main plotline. If that's not a noticeable in-game effect then I'm a goddamn duck.
    Last edited by The Mister Madgod; 2013-05-18 at 06:26 PM.

  15. #355
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    Always hated garrosh post 4.0 and always will, before cataclysm he was alright but i really hate the design change he got at the time, i much prefered the wrath and earlier model.

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    I didn't liked him even before Cataclysm ;p. No Hate at that point , but after the Events of the Shattering it got more like it.

    I must admit though that i'm fan of the Thrall Era / Pacifist Wise Shaman Thing .. :3
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  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    And what flaws exactly 4.2 showed ? His perfect self controll ? Or ability to sacrefice personal needs for greater good ? I guess wanting to hit on aggra can be considered as sexual deviation so i give you that one.
    Yep, his flaws are indeed terrifying there. Oh, look. He... doubts sometimes! And he has desires, like peace and children! Oh my God, don't look any further... This monster is PATIENT!

    Patch 4.2 questline was probably the cheesiest thing ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    Yep, his flaws are indeed terrifying there. Oh, look. He... doubts sometimes! And he has desires, like peace and children! Oh my God, don't look any further... This monster is PATIENT!

    Patch 4.2 questline was probably the cheesiest thing ever.
    Metzen ordered tactical strike right into our FEELS.
    Sadly he is not hit capped.

  19. #359
    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    Oh my God, don't look any further... This monster is PATIENT!
    Thrall the Patient. Truly an evil god worshiped by all those scrubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Thrall the Patient. Truly an evil god worshiped by all those scrubs.
    You will know them by the tittle "the patient". They fear only one thing, good writing, and its your only hope of salvation.

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