I'm very curious about those people, who tells something like "players stopped to say hello in LFD - social aspects of the game are ruined". There are some things, that are very overestimated by some players: number of hardcores in game, number of players, who interested in raiding and...number of players, who needs some social aspects in this game. You know, this is a game and I come here to actually play, not to talk with you about weather and politics. If you're feeling like you are lacking relations - I think you have choosen the wrong way to do it. Social nets, IMs, forums and etc. are the right place to do it. Social aspects are not mandatory for playing. Some players like it, some not. You can't just demand all players to be social.
Sorry for my bad english.
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The social aspect didn't go anywhere. It simply isn't forced on people who aren't interested now, and that's a good thing. Be social if you want.
Exactly. So for the raiders griping about your raid teams breaking up or whatever, you're actually griping that people aren't forced to do things your way instead of a way they prefer. That's quite selfish.
Last edited by Itisamuh; 2013-05-18 at 05:46 PM.
Nice straw man you got there!
Even way back in Vanilla, apparently WoW's golden age of kindness and sociable behaviour, people didn't care to socialize much, sure we had more time with getting a group together taking an hour or so if you were unlucky, but there still wasn't much talk besides purely functional things ("Kill skull, CC moon", the occasional "ZOMG you suck!").
It's just in the nature of lots of people that they don't strike up conversation unless there's some common ground, being in the same guild is good common ground for most people, being in a 5-man together apparently isn't, and no matter how annoying you want to make running 5-mans, that won't change
I suggest:
_ More guild levels and achievements. All kind of achievements for small and big guilds.
_ Guild house that requieres crafted item and drop from all kind of instance to be decorated.
_ Guild farm for feast and raid food. Like the individual farm but bigger and need collective work.
_ Guild missions (like in GW2): man hunting, killing a rare, escort something etc. that reward VP so small guilds that can't raid still have something fun to do together.
_ Would be nice if guilds have more customisation options. What if perks could be choosen by the GM ? So PvP guilds could choose perks that give PvP bonus, social guilds could choose perks that give farming bonus etc. etc. So guild won't end all looking the same.
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Blizzard already made this mistake in a past - followed to the forum trend. Do you remebmer, what people on forums were asking just before Cata? They wanted game to be harder and wanted to see continue of Azeroth's story. Blizzard done it - it failed. Just before MOP many players on forums were asking to return to BC/Vanilla style of the game. Blizzard done it and now we see, how it failing too. And now the main forum trend is - return social aspect to the game. But, you know - it will serve the same purpose for the game. Just because it's like trying to shoot two hairs at once. Changes like that won't hold players, who tired of this game and want to quit it, but it will spoil the game by forcing some mandatory features on players, who actually liked game as is and make them quit too. Players are asking to return "old days", but they can't realize the truth - they are just tired of this game and nothing will return them this old sweet feeling of exciting. But by asking the devs to make changes to game, they're spoiling this game for players, who actually like it, which leads to even more losses of subs. So, I think, Blizzard just should stick to some majority of playerbase and let all other players go. They should stop trying to hold everybody they can, just because it causes even more losses. I already quited, just because they're tryed to force their BC/Vanilla style on me, assuming grind - is what everybody wants. And even if I would be subbed at the moment, they would force some social aspects on me, I would certainly quit in this case too.
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Sorry for my bad english.
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I think if you really want a better experience in the social aspect of the game you have to ignore a lot of bullshit until you cant anymore, or accept there are going to be many, many long and hard days of reverse social engineering that will have to be put in before shit gets normal.
"If you want to control people, if you want to feed them a pack of lies and dominate them, keep them ignorant. For me, literacy means freedom." - LaVar Burton.
I think this is really the main point. The adventure was sort of gone from the game once data mining and such started up and you knew exactly what gear you had to have four months before the content even went live. It's like you make a list and just go about your business collecting the gear you need, as if that's ALL the game consisted of, a big neverending quest for gear.
I think in the past people were more willing to help out because everything was an adventure into the unknown. You hadn't already seen every zone and boss and instance in the game on YouTube months before it was released and there was much more of a drive to just be there and do things than there was to check items off of your must-have-lest-you-be-heckled-in-randoms gear list.
Humanity hasn't drastically changed over the last 5 years.
People will be crappy if they are allowed to be. Previously the game punished crappy behavior, it now no longer does. You can be a gigantic asshole and still see and experience everything in the game.
The incentive to be nice is gone, thus people are not nice.
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LFR is for people who don't have the time to raid. Nobody who is semi decent at this game cares about it. Why.. because they are either high rated or doing hard modes. The people that want both removed can just not use them. It's that simple I don't miss spamming in trade for 30-60 minutes.
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If you are not a douche you can find arena teams and raid groups for hard modes easier as well as challenge modes. Being nice still matters and people will flock to you if you are both a good and nice player.
People here who even consider LFR as seeing the content are silly you haven't fought the boss at his maximum difficult it doesn't matter.
Last edited by worsthitmanNa; 2013-05-18 at 09:39 PM.
You're right except for 2 things.
1. My name is spelt "God" not "Loucious-sama".
2. I'm not a man, because man is inherently flawed. I am in fact a being so far beyond your comprehension that archaic constraints like flesh, blood, time and consequently, gender, have no meaning to me.
agree wholeheartedly. there doesn't even have to be perks or rewards. it would just be nice if guilds could 'level' again. instead of a 'oh, you're only level 23.... did you just make the guild ?'. aside from just 'more' achievements in general, with some at the unreachable numbers point.... it would be nice to have some achieves that could be worked on in RANDOM bg's, and the pet battle system is noticeably absent from guild achieves as well.
I dunno about this... unless there's some form of gameplay mechanic tied to it... Like Ragnarok Online or Allods Online..._ Guild house that requieres crafted item and drop from all kind of instance to be decorated.
_ Guild farm for feast and raid food. Like the individual farm but bigger and need collective work.
I saw them first in Rift, and thought thats what the Guild Challenges were going to be. Suffice to say I was disappointed by what WoW actually added._ Guild missions (like in GW2): man hunting, killing a rare, escort something etc. that reward VP so small guilds that can't raid still have something fun to do together.
All guilds SHOULD end up looking the same if they reach a high enough level... kept beating my head against the wall trying to comprehend how Blizzard can't understand that, and allow a tech-tree anyways. Mind you, since the effectively removed the xp requirements to level guilds at the end of Cata, every guild should be 25 now anyways._ Would be nice if guilds have more customisation options. What if perks could be choosen by the GM ? So PvP guilds could choose perks that give PvP bonus, social guilds could choose perks that give farming bonus etc. etc. So guild won't end all looking the same.
People are kind of half right about LFR. My schedule makes normal raiding impossible, so with LFR I can see the instances and bosses. But some LFR fights I know aren't at all like the real fight on Normal, let alone Heroic.
Anyway, my realm was never that social or fun and I started playing in December 2004. If players don't have any reason to be friendly or sociable, they won't.
If people need to be "forced" to be social then that's pretty bad. Nowadays since most people do not need to socialize I find it much easier to see who the socialable people are.
I would love for Blizzard to release a new server type that had LFR and LFD disabled. Blizzard could allow free transfers to it for a time. Then, gamers could tell for sure whether something like that is popular or whether it has any effect on social behavior.
My current theory is that it won't have any affect at all. Based on the experiences I've had in other MMOs that didn't have either LFR or LFD, people seemed to behave just as badly. Furthermore, without the LFG type tool, most people seemed to group a lot less. Personally, I was very lucky to get more than one dungeon run in a day in these other games.
long yes, difficult? lol if you really believe this I don't know what to say
I guess this is another one of those thiniking frustrating because of a lack of quest and stupidly long=hard
no that doens't make it hard, it just makes it frustrating because of a lack of quest and stupidly long
plenty of idiots back in the days
my god people actually get to see the raids blizzard has made! the horror
if so many people decided to drop their normal mode guilds on the first sign an alternative became available, well that speaks more of the normal mode guilds than it does of LFR, usually people don't flee on the first sign of an alternative unless the place they are fleeing from has some major issues
oh please, the biggest extend of "acting like an idiot" in lfd is someone calling you a few bad names (or I guess needing on a 463 blue that becomes obsolete 5 mins latter), if you can't get over that and need daddy blizzard to make it so you vet every person who you group with well, you can still fucking do that
Also way too many quests include phasing. Instead of everyone being able to witness an interesting scripted event (like Onyxia in SW keep, or Stitches in Duskwood) you can't even interact with others unless you are in the exact same phase. In a phased environment you can't even accompany a friend who's doing those quests later. And often phasing fucks out the affected area for good, instead of un-phasing into its previous state. Except in Swamp of Sorrows of course, where the Alliance conquers Stonard - and after the quests it phases back into normal... does this happen in Andorhal?