View Poll Results: Do you think women should be allowed to go "shirtless"?

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    Topless women not breaking the law in NY

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    Ladies of New York , you are free to walk bare-breasted through the city! New York City's 34,000 police officers have been instructed that, should they encounter a woman in public who is shirtless but obeying the law, they should not arrest her. This is a good step towards gender parity in public spaces.

    This decision means that breast exposure is not considered public lewdness, indecent exposure, or disorderly conduct. It also notes that, should a crowd form around a topless woman, the officer should instruct the crowd to disperse and then respond appropriately if it does not. Relative coverage is no longer a factor.

    This policy shift comes after several years of litigation and protest. In the 1992 case People v. Ramona Santorelli and Mary Lou Schloss, the New York Court of Appeals ruled in favor of two women who were arrested with five others for exposing their breasts in a Rochester park, holding the law void as discriminatory. The ruling was put to the test in 2005, when Jill Coccaro bared her breasts on Delancey Street in New York, citing the 1992 decision, and was detained for twelve hours. She subsequently successfully sued the city for $29,000.

    In 2007, Go Topless, a national organization supporting gender equality in shirtlessness laws, established Go Topless Day. Dozens of women protest – often topless – in thirty cities around the United States, promoting equal rights to be shirtless. Protests usually include chants of “Free your breasts. Free your minds” and a song “Let ‘em Breathe” to the tune of the Beatles’ “Let it Be.”

    While some who have witnessed these events have suggested that "[t]his is extreme liberalism and why America’s in decline” or “[i]t’s degrading to women,” others have been supportive. One man even said he would encourage his wife to join them.

    Though bare-breasted women might shock the sensibilities of some in the public, it is encouraging to see the police responding positively to gender bias, even on such a seemingly small scale. After all, no one thinks twice about a man shirtless on a summer day. However, the female nipple or chest is still considered “lewd.” By reminding its officers of this, the NYPD is publicly declaring that it will no longer perpetuate unconstitutional gender discrimination, a standard to which all law enforcement should be held and a decision for which it should be applauded.
    [NSFW]A "Topless Freedom" rally in New York is permitted as the NYPD says it is not breaking the law[NSFW]

    There's going to be a lot of hurt sensibilities, a lot of "dur hur boobies", and a lot of agreement. I'm torn on this issue, as it is ingrained in our culture that women's chests are "private parts", but it is also allowed for men to do it and not considered lewd.

    New York indecent exposure law:

    § 245.01 Exposure of a person.
    A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such
    a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed or
    exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate parts of
    a female person shall include that portion of the breast which is below
    the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to the breastfeeding
    of infants or to any person entertaining or performing in a play,
    exhibition, show or entertainment.
    Exposure of a person is a violation.
    Nothing in this section shall prevent the adoption by a city, town or
    village of a local law prohibiting exposure of a person as herein
    defined in a public place, at any time, whether or not such person is
    entertaining or performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.
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    I cannot say that I am complaining but If I see you topless (man or women) in the middle of the city, I am going to look at you suspiciously.

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    Gonna go ahead and be okay with that.
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    it's only fair. if a man can do it, a woman should be able to also.

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    I've always thought it was silly it wasn't permitted in some places, so yeah, I'll support it.


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    Well if you live in a city where seeing a topless woman is absolutely commonplace, then eventually it isn't a bit deal anymore and we can all live together in equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcstunner View Post
    it's only fair. if a man can do it, a woman should be able to also.
    A woman can hit a man and proclaim self defense and get away with it. If a woman can do it, so should a man.

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    No it is not ok. In the modern world breasts is a sex symbol and is an intimate body part. the chest of a male is not.
    This is where the difference lies, and what makes it not ok for women to expose their chest in public.
    For the women who disagree, please tell me why you cover up when you go out.

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    § 245.01 Exposure of a person.
    A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such
    a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed or
    exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate parts of
    a female person shall include that portion of the breast which is below
    the top of the areola. This section shall not apply to the breastfeeding
    of infants or to any person entertaining or performing in a play,
    exhibition, show or entertainment.
    Exposure of a person is a violation.
    Nothing in this section shall prevent the adoption by a city, town or
    village of a local law prohibiting exposure of a person as herein
    defined in a public place, at any time, whether or not such person is
    entertaining or performing in a play, exhibition, show or entertainment.
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    Sadly it's usually the women and men who should be covered up that take advantage of the right to strip off their clothes.

    Nubile, buxom young women topless? Yes please.

    50 yr old cougars who are overtanned, overweight, and carrying saddle bags on their chests? No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moshic View Post
    I'd be OKAY with seeing breasts. All day long.
    Haha It sounds good on paper until you realise the horrors that lie under some bras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moshic View Post
    I'd be OKAY with seeing breasts. All day long.
    You are okay with it because you see it as a sex symbol, one that you can become sexually aroused by. They don't want that, yet they think that by exposing their breasts they won't get that reaction?

    This is why it is illegal, and should remain illegal. Because, and I'm not saying you, people will see a woman walking around topless and think "Hey, she 'dressed' that way, so she definitely wants it" and will grab / touch / purposely walk into her to feel her breasts.

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    That settles it, I am moving to NY.

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    I don't think it's ok, like a previous posted said "In the modern world breasts are seen as a sex symbol and is an intimate body part"
    I also don't believe the people who say they are ok with it, are going to be ok with it if their moms or grandmothers are going to be walking around bare chested, or anyone else who they don't find attractive.

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    and carrying saddle bags on their chests? No thanks.
    I lol'd

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    Meh. If they want to, go ahead.

    Personally, I'd prefer it if both men and women kept their shirts on, but I have no problem making eye contact with shirtless people until they become uncomfortable.

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    Meh, if we'd stop making the human body so taboo, it wouldn't be a big deal in the first place.

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    Would probaly lead to a lot of lawsuits whenn someone bumbs into themm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    New York indecent exposure law:

    § 245.01 Exposure of a person.
    A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such
    a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed or
    exposed. For purposes of this section, the private or intimate parts of
    a female person shall include that portion of the breast which is below
    the top of the areola.
    That's literally the worst written law I've ever seen. Women cannot EVER be guilty of exposure by that wording.
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    I'm all ok with this. If it's not lewd and lascivious, than it's fine. Which also means, guys, take up arms and walk naked in the streets of NY, or at the very least walk ass out with assless chaps or something. As long as you aren't lewd and lascivious (google it, it's a law term) it's perfectly legal. Which THEN, if a woman is doing it for attention, or even once flirts topless, its lewd and lascivious and therefor slap her with a indecent exposure and a sex offense. BAM

    But we know NY will never allow this, if it goes to the courts tho, you'll most likely win, and should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiea View Post
    You are okay with it because you see it as a sex symbol, one that you can become sexually aroused by. They don't want that, yet they think that by exposing their breasts they won't get that reaction?

    This is why it is illegal, and should remain illegal. Because, and I'm not saying you, people will see a woman walking around topless and think "Hey, she 'dressed' that way, so she definitely wants it" and will grab / touch / purposely walk into her to feel her breasts.
    And that is why it's good.
    Because those thoughts are what are wrong, and need to be changed.
    If it's okay for a man to walk around shirtless (And, in most places in the west it is). Then it should be fine for a woman. Allowed for both, or banned for both.
    The male chest is also a sex-symbol in many occations, just that it can be "everyday". Time for women to get the same.

    As well as start bloody growing out of "She's dressed slutty! SHE MUST WANT ME TO RAPE HER!"
    Girls/women shouldn't be taught "Don't go out, you'll get raped! Be afraid!". Boys/men should get taught "Do not fucking rape. If she tells you to stop you fucking stop right there"
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