View Poll Results: What would you do with Garrosh

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  • Exile

    122 13.88%
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    104 11.83%
  • Redemption

    99 11.26%
  • Killed

    496 56.43%
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    58 6.60%
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  1. #241
    Exiled. That would give him the opportunity to return in a future expansion after he raises some ragtag army of orcs in a mid-tier raid. Think Napolean.

    Plus imagine if he was stuck on an island off Durotar guarded by NPCs where we could go visit the poor loser in his disgrace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    It's different because the motive is different... for both of your points.

    Garrosh wanted Kalimdor to show the Horde is dominant. Orgrim just wanted security.

    Garrosh gladly uses terrible, ruthless methods. Orgrim did it to try and ensure Horde victory but he sure as hell didn't like it.
    No, this is extremely wrong. Garrosh have an habit for warmongering and dominance indeed, as his father had, but he doesn't make it ONLY for say "we rule here baby". Even someone like Eitrigg in ToW, while criticizing Garrosh for his reckless tactics, have to admits that his actions during Cataclysm have lessened the dire of the situation in Durotar. Yes, he aims to dominion, but he wants to be sure that his people will have a proper living too, just as Orgrim wanted in the end.

    Still, what i liked of Orgrim compared not only to Garrosh, but especially to Grom, is that, while not a "kind" leader like Thrall, is much more cool-minded and reasonable of the Hellscreams.
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  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Being the Overlord that led the Warsong Offesnive hardly counts as doing nothing

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    They both waged wars of conquest against the Alliance and they both used ruthless tactics, seems similar to me
    If you simplify it to such a degree then of course it seems similar... but really those are the only two similarities which aren't even entirely similar. As I've mentioned (and you seemingly ignored) their reasons for going to war were different as well as their attitudes on waging war and using those tactics. Claiming Garrosh is like Doomhammer is like saying Turalyon and Arthas are alike. They were both human and both fought against the Horde using paladin magics. Similar. Yet, their reasons for doing so were pretty different and their attitudes were also very different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    No, this is extremely wrong. Garrosh have an habit for warmongering and dominance indeed, as his father had, but this doesn't make it ONLY for say "we rule here baby"
    When you read Tides of War, that's his reasoning. He wants to show the world that the Horde is dominant. The resources that he gets are simply extra benefits.
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  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    Not stable? If it wasn't for Gul'dan's betrayal Azeroth would be 100% Horde right now. People are quick to dismiss the Old Horde as savages and idiots, but they actually got very close to the total annihilation of the Alliance. Something the new Horde can't begin to imagine.

    When you put it like that, the new Horde is quite incompetent.
    I'd like to remind you the Horde currently possess weapons of mass destruction whilst the Alliance do not. Between the Forsaken Plague and Sylv's ability to resurrect dead humans as new Forsaken, she literally could be a Lich Queen, under her own cognition, allied to the Horde, and decimate all of Azeroth for the Horde.

    Which makes no sense that Garrosh has kept her chained when he obviously wants to own the world. It worked in Cataclysm when he still had some semblance of honor and her methods were questionable, but now he's gone nuts and you'd expect him to embrace questionable methods.

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    I'd say killed, I really hope he doesn't get any lame redemption and just gets killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    When you read Tides of War, that's his reasoning. He wants to show the world that the Horde is dominant. The resources that he gets are simply extra benefits.
    It's hard to define "extra benefits" the resources he would get when you have a numerous population like the orcish one living in Durotar. He talks all the time of dominion because is the only way in which he conceive the "gathering" of resources and new lands, he talks of the Alliance races as "whismical and egoistic" for justify his complete unwillingness to negotiate. In his mind, the orcs must just take what they need to, not "bow down" their heads to the Alliance with peace agreements, discussions and so on. And this because Garrosh is addicted to his own pride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorehowl View Post
    Imprisoned for ten thousand years... banished from my own homeland... and now you dare enter my realm?
    Legendary sentence, we know what comes next :>


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    Claiming Garrosh is like Doomhammer is like saying Turalyon and Arthas are alike. They were both human and both fought against the Horde using paladin magics. Similar. Yet, their reasons for doing so were pretty different and their attitudes were also very different.
    Even their reason were similar (Turalyon and Arthas) but, as you said, had very different attitudes, reason for which Arthas became slave of his own emotions and hate in his quest for save his people, while Turalyon in the peak of his rage decided to spare Orgrim's life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    If you simplify it to such a degree then of course it seems similar... but really those are the only two similarities which aren't even entirely similar. As I've mentioned (and you seemingly ignored) their reasons for going to war were different as well as their attitudes on waging war and using those tactics.
    Because your reasons kinda seem one and the same to me

    You say Doomhammer wants security while Garrosh wants domination. But how exactly is Doomhammer aiming to get that security? By dominating their enemies, the Alliance.
    Likewise, Garrosh dominating and weakening the Alliance provides security to the Horde
    Domination and security kinda go hand in hand

    Plus its not like Garrosh has no interest in "security"
    "Thrall did not understand that the Alliance would never leave them be. It would push at the edges—like the orcs' enemies in Garadar—until the Horde broke. The only counter was to fight, to drive the humans out first. The orcs' security came above all else. There would be no negotiation until the Alliance understood that. Garrosh would not stop. His people would never dwindle, not again. The Horde would never fall.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    he talks of the Alliance races as "whismical and egoistic" for justify his complete unwillingness to negotiate.
    not only that there is just no chance in hell for Garrosh to achieve his ambitions through diplomacy
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  10. #250
    Killed, definitely. After all the atrocities he's committed (especially blowing up Theramore and nearly killing Anduin with the Divine Bell), not to mention his complete disregard for the lives of his people, he is gunning near the top of my "most hated video game characters" list right up there with Ghetsis, Porky Minch, and Jasper Batt Jr. If he gets redeemed it will make a lot of people, including myself, really angry at Blizzard because he will have become one of these, BIG TIME: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KarmaHoudini

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Because your reasons kinda seem one and the same to me

    You say Doomhammer wants security while Garrosh wants domination. But how exactly is Doomhammer aiming to get that security? By dominating their enemies, the Alliance.
    Likewise, Garrosh dominating and weakening the Alliance provides security to the Horde
    Domination and security kinda go hand in hand
    Domination was a means to an end for Doomhammer. For Garrosh, it is a self-fulfilling end. All the difference in the world.

    It's not the action that matters here. It's the intent and reasoning behind that action. Orgrim and Garrosh are very different in this.

    Plus its not like Garrosh has no interest in "security"
    "Thrall did not understand that the Alliance would never leave them be. It would push at the edges—like the orcs' enemies in Garadar—until the Horde broke. The only counter was to fight, to drive the humans out first. The orcs' security came above all else. There would be no negotiation until the Alliance understood that. Garrosh would not stop. His people would never dwindle, not again. The Horde would never fall.'
    And yet, his attitude for such is significantly different from Orgrim's. He is forsaking allies instead of gaining them. He is against negotiation in any form, yet Orgrim made a deal with a human.

    There's no real argument to say that they are very similar. When we look close enough we see two very different personalities and two very different viewpoints. They're two separate people placed into a couple broad parallels. Those are their only commonalities.

    Not even beginning to go into how Orgrim was actually a tactician and didn't rely solely on brute force. They even wage their wars differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    It's hard to define "extra benefits" the resources he would get when you have a numerous population like the orcish one living in Durotar. He talks all the time of dominion because is the only way in which he conceive the "gathering" of resources and new lands, he talks of the Alliance races as "whismical and egoistic" for justify his complete unwillingness to negotiate. In his mind, the orcs must just take what they need to, not "bow down" their heads to the Alliance with peace agreements, discussions and so on. And this because Garrosh is addicted to his own pride.
    When he says he wants the entire continent, he's not talking about resources. He's talking Horde dominance. That's why it's an extra benefit rather than the primary goal.
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    I don't want him to die...I want to LOSE the siege! I want Vol'jin to die...Thrall to be drained of all his powers, so his very essence can give life to the monster creations I hope Garrosh creates!

    I want Saurfang to be corrupted and turn on Thrall and the same with Bain ( Not corrupted, just weak and foolish)! Then I want Rexxar to come in, break us out of imprisonment and why we are retreating I want Garrosh to try to take us down on his own, Rexxar will shoot a poison arrow into Garrosh's neck and he will scamper away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    Not even beginning to go into how Orgrim was actually a tactician and didn't rely solely on brute force. They even wage their wars differently.
    Its not like Garrosh dooes either. Theramore had a great deal of cunning to it. Likewise during the Shattering, it was shown Garrosh had a backup plan in case Warsong Hold fell, something not evident in "typical" Orcs
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Its not like Garrosh dooes either. Theramore had a great deal of cunning to it. Likewise during the Shattering, it was shown Garrosh had a backup plan in case Warsong Hold fell, something not evident in "typical" Orcs
    And he scoffed at a superior soldier and general's advice on maintaining proper shipping routes and strategy back in the Northrend campaign, insisting that all the Horde needed for victory was its fighting spirit.

    All that means is that he has learned something since then, while managing to fail at many other aspects of war, such as picking competent generals for an important offensive.

    Again, there's not much they have in common other than they fought the Alliance and they used some morally questionable tactics, two very broad topics which when examined closer show that even in those aspects the two are different.
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  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    And yet, his attitude for such is significantly different from Orgrim's. He is forsaking allies instead of gaining them.
    In fairness, he already had allies, Doomhammer did not. Yet Doomhammer used and discarded the Mok'Nathal and Amani just as readily as Garrosh does to the Forsaken, Sindorei, and Darkspear. In this their attitudes are remarkably similar. Horde = Orcs, everyone else is cannon fodder.
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  16. #256
    Killed and Org destroyed, completely.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumineus View Post
    In fairness, he already had allies, Doomhammer did not. Yet Doomhammer used and discarded the Mok'Nathal and Amani just as readily as Garrosh does to the Forsaken, Sindorei, and Darkspear. In this their attitudes are remarkably similar. Horde = Orcs, everyone else is cannon fodder.
    That's not true. Orgrim didn't "discard" them in the same way Garrosh would have. They broke their ties out of different goals, not out of a sense of Orc superiority. They had a mutual respect for one another. Garrosh, if he respects someone that isn't an orc, it's begrudgingly. Not so for Doomhammer.

    As well there were no significant numbers of Mok'Nathal in the Second War. There were Ogres, but they were mainly under the command of Gul'Dan's Twilight's Hammer and they left not because they were abandoned by Orgrim but because Gul'dan left.
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    I want to be able to KILL the endboss for once. JUST THIS ONCE!!
    Onyxia
    C'thun
    Kel'thuzad
    Illidan
    Yogg Saron
    Lich King
    Ragnaros
    Deathwing
    Sha of Fear
    Thunderking...

    Loads others

  19. #259
    How I want to see MoP wrap up:

    Garrosh at 10% hp. Suddenly huge planet disturbs the party, everyone gasps. Booming voice holds an evil speech. Is actually Avatar of Sargeras on his big ass ship-planet. A ray of light holds Garrosh midair. We dps him down as he dramaticly waves his hands around in slow-mo while he spins and yells about how it's not over. At 1 hp left booming voice says "LOL NOPE" and abducts Garrosh while he starts moo-ing. SUDDENLY EXPLOSIONS AND LIGHTS AND SPARKS AND GAMON APPEARS OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE AND YELLS: PREQUEL!1!!!!!!1111!!1 The planet remains on the skies of Azeroth the whole next expansion. That gnome leader dude (lord'thermar I think) invents some shit and we get a way to go on that planet. The planet is now the new continent. Then we go on the forums and complain about how it will suck. Then we will go on the forums and say about how good MoP was. The end.

    EDIT: oh I voted "other"

  20. #260
    Beheaded and staked outside of Orgrimmars gates, only fitting.

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