View Poll Results: What would you do with Garrosh

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    104 11.83%
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    99 11.26%
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    496 56.43%
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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and her faults had major reprucussions across the Horde's campaign in the frozen wastes....oh wait....they didnt....
    What campaign? After Wrathgate, all the Alliance and Horde had left for the assault on Icecrown was their airships. Icecrown was taken by the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    If you're referring to the poison...

    http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Regeneration_Takes_Time




    And then resupplied the Scourge's lost troops by staging a pointless battle with the Alliance, resulting in an entire canyon full of dead or dying soldiers :P

    Hadn't done that quest yet, I stand corrected.. he still dropped like a little baby and cried for help. Cairne kept fighting through Poison until he died. Like I said, they give Vol'Jin Warchief, I am done with the Horde for good.

    Also still in vote for imprisonment or exile, death is the easy way out of a good story.

  3. #303
    Is this a real thread lol? People are into the story?

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Niuzhu View Post
    Hadn't done that quest yet, I stand corrected.. he still dropped like a little baby and cried for help. Cairne kept fighting through Poison until he died.
    Well, think about it. If the poison's strong enough to stop a troll's regeneration, something that is gifted by the Loa, who bless their shadow hunters more so than any other troll, Cairne wouldn't have fared much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by url=http://www.wowpedia.org/Ask_CDev#Ask_CDev_Answers_-_Round_2
    If trolls are able to regenerate their limbs, why didn't Zul'jin's arm grow back?

    For the most part, it is the speed at which trolls regenerate that makes them formidable foes. When in balance with the loa of their tribe, they are also able to regrow digits (fingers and toes). Tales abound in troll culture, however, of those blessed by the loa with extraordinary regenerative abilities, such as the ability to regrow limbs and even vital organs lost in battle. The tale of Vula'jin the Void speaks of how he regrew almost his entire body after standing in a pool of shadowflame. But just as the loa can bless, they can also curse; troll children are taught legends of those cursed by the loa, unable to heal even flesh wounds, to instill the proper respect for their patron spirits.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Carine got scratched. Vol'jin got stabbed through the neck...
    Also there's that.
    Last edited by The Mister Madgod; 2013-05-19 at 08:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therougetitan View Post
    Prison.

    Death is something he'd -want- I feel people that want him to suffer don't understand the Orcish mentality. It's Victory or Death, if you make someone languish in their failure it is the worst thing for an Orc.
    This guy gets it perfectly.

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Niuzhu View Post
    Hadn't done that quest yet, I stand corrected.. he still dropped like a little baby and cried for help. Cairne kept fighting through Poison until he died. Like I said, they give Vol'Jin Warchief, I am done with the Horde for good.

    Also still in vote for imprisonment or exile, death is the easy way out of a good story.
    Carine got scratched. Vol'jin got stabbed through the neck...
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    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    Well, think about it. If the poison's strong enough to stop a troll's regeneration, something that may be gifted by the Loa, who bless their shadow hunters moreso than any other troll, Cairne wouldn't have fared much better.
    Maaaaaaybe I'd like to think Cairne would have trucked on no matter what, because he's just that tough.. i still don't like Vol'Jin and feel he's one of the most useless leaders in the game outside of Mechatorque.

    I disliked him in WC3 too, (keep in mind I like trolls and I loved Zul'Jin.)

    Him getting Warchief will be the Deathknell for the Horde for me that Evil Garrosh started.
    Last edited by Niuzhu; 2013-05-19 at 08:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Icecrown was taken by the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade.
    alongside Horde/Alliance troops and heroes

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-19 at 08:37 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Niuzhu View Post
    Maaaaaaybe I'd like to think Cairne would have trucked on no matter what, because he's just that tough...
    Cairne couldnt even defend himself from the death blow
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    alongside Horde/Alliance troops and heroes
    On the assault, not on the rest of the Icecrown.

  10. #310
    It's time for him to get his pink slip. I would much prefer it be drenched in red after he receives it though.

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    Off with his head!
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  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Niuzhu View Post
    Maaaaaaybe I'd like to think Cairne would have trucked on no matter what, because he's just that tough.. i still don't like Vol'Jin and feel he's one of the most useless leaders in the game outside of Mechatorque.

    I disliked in in WC3 too, (keep in mind I like trolls and I loved Zul'Jin.)

    Him getting Warchief will be the Deathknell for the Horde for me that Evil Garrosh started.
    You're entitled to your opinion. I just like to note that there's lore showing he's a tough son of a bitch. Probably very few other mortals could have withstood that poison, and most of them would be other trolls.

  13. #313
    While I'd love to just have Garrosh die at the end of the raid, I feel that just isn't enough for someone like him. He's done horrible things, both to the Alliance and Horde, and I can't help but feel death would be the easy way out.

    In my mind, the perfect punishment for him is similar to what happened to Firelord Ozai in Avatar. Instead of killing Garrosh, sever both his hands so he can no longer lift a weapon, than destroy Gorehowl in front of him, shattering what little remains of his moral, honor, and dignity. Finally, imprison him within Ragefire Chasms, or somewhere where he can do no harm to anyone else, and simply let him live out the rest of his days in shame and dishonor before his peers in the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    There's no real mention of preventing future threats in those quotes. There is a lot of "We'll destroy the Alliance!" though.
    This is the Hellscream logic :

    -My people starves in the desert, i need resources and a new land;
    -My enemies have these lands and resources, so i need to kick them from there;
    -But while i have to kick them, is clear that they will reorganize and counter-attack, trying to undermine my work and kill my people in attempt of get the lands back;
    -So i need not just to kick them out, but crush them, break their spirit, their will, so that they don't even dare to try anything. In this way they will give up and my people will not have to fear any reprisal.

    He wants to "destroy" the Alliance until they will not simply give up and submit, because an Alliance submitted and crushed is no harm to no one.

    The problem is that the Alliance don't give up, they don't let their spirits to be broken by violent events like Theramore; and if they are persistent in their defiance, then he have to wipe them out from the planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Niuzhu View Post
    No I'm pretty sure it's just that Vol'Jin is lame and always has been, and for some unknown reason Blizzard is pushing him instead of bringing back Rexxar, or Saurfang. Plus I'd like to see a source for all that mumbo Jumbo you just spewed cause i'm pretty sure that's your imagination making that up. Give me proof and I'll be like wow i was wrong, won't change my opinion mind you but I'll admit i was wrong about that.

    If you want a REAL Troll Leader they should resurrect Zul'Jin. Now he was a troll worthy of Warchief.
    Imagination? HAH. Clearly you just played the Scenario without doing the Dominance Offensive quests.

    http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Regeneration_Takes_Time

    Not even our dear Zul'jin couldn't have been able to do anything against it without someone saving his Amani ass.

    Rexxar is cool but, seriously? He doesn't have that much influence in the Horde, he's just an "occasional badass champion", not someone involved directly in Horde politics. I bet we'll see Saurfang soon but, still, he haven't had any kind of relationship with Garrosh after Northrend, while Vol'jin has been forced to endure all the Garrosh's reign.

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    This is the Hellscream logic :

    -My people starves in the desert, i need resources and a new land;
    -My enemies have these lands and resources, so i need to kick them from there;
    -But while i have to kick them, is clear that they will reorganize and counter-attack, trying to undermine my work and kill my people in attempt of get the lands back;
    -So i need not just to kick them out, but crush them, break their spirit, their will, so that they don't even dare to try anything. In this way they will give up and my people will not have to fear any reprisal.

    He wants to "destroy" the Alliance until they will not simply give up and submit, because an Alliance submitted and crushed is no harm to no one.

    The problem is that the Alliance don't give up, they don't let their spirits to be broken by violent events like Theramore; and if they are persistent in their defiance, then he have to wipe them out from the planet.



    Imagination? HAH. Clearly you just played the Scenario without doing the Dominance Offensive quests.

    http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Regeneration_Takes_Time

    Not even our dear Zul'jin couldn't have been able to do anything against it without someone saving his Amani ass.

    Rexxar is cool but, seriously? He doesn't have that much influence in the Horde, he's just an "occasional badass champion", not someone involved directly in Horde politics. I bet we'll see Saurfang soon but, still, he haven't had any kind of relationship with Garrosh after Northrend, while Vol'jin has been forced to endure all the Garrosh's reign.
    Still I'd Rather have Chen somehow magically become Warchief (actually that would be freaking awesome.) than Vol'Jin.. I really just hate him, always have.

    and madgod pointed the quest out for me, and i stated I was wrong. No I have not done my Dominance Offensive quest.. TBH for a player coming back for 5.2 not playing since the opening of Cata the daily quest rep grind is a bit over whelming and I havn't made it to those yet.

    But that said Garrosh's actions this expansion already have me wanting a 3rd faction (because I don't want to be Alliance.) so i don't have to be Horde anymore.. but man Vol'Jin get's Warchief.. I'd rather be Alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niuzhu View Post
    Maaaaaaybe I'd like to think Cairne would have trucked on no matter what, because he's just that tough.. i still don't like Vol'Jin and feel he's one of the most useless leaders in the game outside of Mechatorque.

    I disliked him in WC3 too, (keep in mind I like trolls and I loved Zul'Jin.)

    Him getting Warchief will be the Deathknell for the Horde for me that Evil Garrosh started.
    I don't think myself too that Vol'jin is the right choice as Warchief, but the problem is that your opinion is not objective at all, you just don't like him because...you have the random feeling that he sucks. The End.

    And how can you have disliked him in...WC3? He merely was a presence in that game.

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-19 at 09:06 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Carine got scratched. Vol'jin got stabbed through the neck...
    Indeed. The whole goal of the poison was to stop the regenaration of an almost-mortal wound.
    Last edited by Zulkhan; 2013-05-19 at 09:42 PM.

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    This is the Hellscream logic :

    -My people starves in the desert, i need resources and a new land;
    -My enemies have these lands and resources, so i need to kick them from there;
    -But while i have to kick them, is clear that they will reorganize and counter-attack, trying to undermine my work and kill my people in attempt of get the lands back;
    -So i need not just to kick them out, but crush them, break their spirit, their will, so that they don't even dare to try anything. In this way they will give up and my people will not have to fear any reprisal.

    He wants to "destroy" the Alliance until they will not simply give up and submit, because an Alliance submitted and crushed is no harm to no one.

    The problem is that the Alliance don't give up, they don't let their spirits to be broken by violent events like Theramore; and if they are persistent in their defiance, then he have to wipe them out from the planet.
    He talks of genocide in one of his quotes, far before the offensive on Theramore even begins. He wants nothing left of the night elves but a "bad memory." He's not about "destroying" the alliance. He's about destroying the alliance.

    His speech to the other Horde leaders doesn't focus on the need for resources, nor land. All of those quotes have one thing in common: defeating the Alliance. Again, Horde domination through the destruction of the Alliance is his primary goal.

    I'd like you to point to where in those quotes it says that he is PRIMARILY focused on gaining more land as a resource rather than gaining more land as spoils of conquest.
    Last edited by The Mister Madgod; 2013-05-19 at 09:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenixhart View Post
    He didn't "civilize"them, he redeemed the broken spirit of his people and re-introduced them to Shamansim after they got hooked on Felblood.
    No he didnt. He civilized them ! Orcs were savages! Who believed in Power and smashing only like Garrosh !! But Thrall showed them another way among Trolls and Tauren ! Thrall is a great Leader any do not appreciate !


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    I'd like you to point to where in those quotes it says that he is PRIMARILY focused on gaining more land as opposed to primarily being about destroying the Alliance and getting the land is secondary to that.
    Well you cant conquer new lands without first removing the previous inhabitants
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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