View Poll Results: What would you do with Garrosh

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    99 11.26%
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    496 56.43%
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    58 6.60%
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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by gypsybob View Post
    If that's the case, what did Thrall do to become Warchief? Bugger all, he was just an important orc standing around when Doomhammer died.
    No. Thrall personally lead the assault that took out Blackmoore after Doomhammer was killed, from the front. He then led his clan from the front, personally negotiated with other faction leaders to form alliances, and faced a Pit Lord in personal combat. Not to mention he spearheaded the assault on Undercity.

    Don't pull shit like that if you're going to be ignorant of the facts. Thrall took leadership because of his ability, and was the Orc that formed the new Horde. Garrosh got leadership because of his father's name, and has been busy destroying the new Horde and reducing it to an Orcs Only shadow of the old Horde.

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Well according to Metzen Garrosh was given the titel because Thrall was all "hey you seem like a confident guy, why dont you lead my armies"
    Exactly my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    What has he done? He established Horde footholds throughout Northrend and eventually pushed to the gates of Icecrown. What others did? You mean the players? If thats the case all NPCs everywhere are just as much of failures as Garrosh.
    He established one and it failed. Who pushed to the gates of Icecrown was the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade. It was Saurfang that led the Horde assault.

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    Dominion means little else than just submit the Alliance and conquer the lands they hold. All that you quoted is the desire to corner them in their lands, in the Eastern, and be sure that they will never try to threatening the orcs if they are crushed with no spirit or courage to counter-attack.
    Yeah... I know this. Hence why I said domination is their primary goal. Because that's what the quotes mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    He established one and it failed. Who pushed to the gates of Icecrown was the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade. It was Saurfang that led the Horde assault.
    Warsong Hold, Agmar's Hammer, Conquest Hold?'
    Ogrim's Hammer spearheaded the Horde thrust into Icecrown after the Wrathgate fiasco

    And who did Saurfang serve under? And who was standing next to him?
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  5. #285
    lol i want him to be redeemed.
    Why?
    Because he is the most badass hordie out there, why kill him off just like that...

  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    He established one and it failed. Who pushed to the gates of Icecrown was the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade. It was Saurfang that led the Horde assault.
    Exactly. Saurfang was the Horde hero of Northrend. He even paid for his victory with the death of his son.

    Garrosh just stole all the glory, after doing nothing to earn it. The fool even almost started two extra wars against the Alliance at the worst possible times because he couldn't keep his mouth shut (Ulduar and Trial of the Crusader). He has no self control whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durandro View Post
    The fool even almost started two extra wars against the Alliance at the worst possible times because he couldn't keep his mouth shut (Ulduar and Trial of the Crusader). He has no self control whatsoever.
    Thats funny. Remember what Saurfang does when he goes into ICC?
    Attack the Scourge?
    No, he attacks the Alliance gunship
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niuzhu View Post
    Yeah so he can drop to the ground and scream for help after he gets stabbed by a random Rogue.. No thanks. If he get's Warchief I'm done with the Horde for good.
    Sure, you're correct, being stabbed by an Orc Rogue that you suppose be an ally, using a poison enough powerful to halt the troll's natural regeneration it is not something worth for drop to the ground and call help. You know that the reason for which your pg doesn't drop to the ground dead and butchered when a Rogue makes a full opener to it is just for gameplay reasons, right?
    Last edited by Zulkhan; 2013-05-19 at 08:21 PM.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Warsong Hold, Agmar's Hammer, Conquest Hold?
    Garrosh, Agmar and Gorgonna and Krenna. And we don't know if Agmar was under Saurfang Junior's command or Garrosh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Ogrim's Hammer spearheaded the Horde thrust into Icecrown after the Wrathgate fiasco
    It's more Ogrim's Hammer followed the Ashen success on all Icecrown. The commander of the Hammer was more focused on attacking the Alliance. -.-

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    And who did Saurfang serve under? And who was standing next to him?
    Rephrasing it, who did all the mess that Saurfang had to clean up?

    That's the main problem with Garrosh in Northrend, he takes the "success" of the others, he barely did anything by himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Madgod View Post
    Yeah... I know this. Hence why I said domination is their primary goal. Because that's what the quotes mean.
    Dominion with the goal of prevent future threats to his people. It's pretty obvious, that is the "Hellscream way" of dealing with the matters.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Warsong Hold, Agmar's Hammer, Conquest Hold?'
    Ogrim's Hammer spearheaded the Horde thrust into Icecrown after the Wrathgate fiasco

    And who did Saurfang serve under? And who was standing next to him?
    Don't even try and start with Orgrim's Hammer... That was a tragedy. The majority of the work done to minimize Scourge forces in Icecrown was done by the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade. The Horde and Alliance involvement just gave the Scourge more potential troops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    Dominion with the goal of prevent future threats to his people. It's pretty obvious, that is the "Hellscream way" of dealing with the matters.
    There's no real mention of preventing future threats in those quotes. There is a lot of "We'll destroy the Alliance!" though.

    Hence why dominion is the end goal and security comes afterwards. He's about proving the Horde's (or rather, his and the orc's) strength. There's little about him wanting to protect. There's a lot about him wanting to destroy.
    Last edited by The Madgod; 2013-05-19 at 08:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    Sure, you're correct, being stabbed by an Orc Rogue that you suppose be an ally, using a poison enough powerful to halt the troll's natural regeneration it is not something worth for drop to the ground and call help. You know that the reason for which your pg doesn't drop to the ground when a Rogue make a full opener to it is just for gameplay reasons, right?
    No I'm pretty sure it's just that Vol'Jin is lame and always has been, and for some unknown reason Blizzard is pushing him instead of bringing back Rexxar, or Saurfang. Plus I'd like to see a source for all that mumbo Jumbo you just spewed cause i'm pretty sure that's your imagination making that up. Give me proof and I'll be like wow i was wrong, won't change my opinion mind you but I'll admit i was wrong about that.

    If you want a REAL Troll Leader they should resurrect Zul'Jin. Now he was a troll worthy of Warchief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Garrosh, Agmar and Gorgonna and Krenna. And we don't know if Agmar was under Saurfang Junior's command or Garrosh.
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    Agmar and Gorgonna and Krenna all serve and follow Garrosh's orders. And the Korkron commander at Agmar says "I enfore Hellscream's will, his word is life and death" or somethin like that

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-19 at 08:18 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    It's more Ogrim's Hammer followed the Ashen success on all Icecrown. The commander of the Hammer was more focused on attacking the Alliance. -.-.
    so what all those dailies to kill Scourge and frost Vrykul werent helpful?

    ---------- Post added 2013-05-19 at 08:19 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    That's the main problem with Garrosh in Northrend, he takes the "success" of the others, he barely did anything by himself.
    "Others". As in people who serve under him and follow his commands

    Unless your saying Garrosh dsnt deserve anything because he single-handedly didnt dismantle the Scourge?
    Last edited by Dreknar20; 2013-05-19 at 08:20 PM.
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    WoW needs to start saveing Figures for the future. When we banished Kil'Jeaden I thought it was nice to have that sense of mystery as to ''when is this guy coming back omg?'' Outright killing them sometimes doesn't fill that void or is simply boring or not intresting. For Garrosh I would actually be okay with Exile or imprisonment in the Hands of the Alliance, that'd be pretty neat. And for that matter Orcs aren't afraid to die, thier biggest fear is submition. Stomping on thier pride (specially Garrosh ''cough sha of pride cough'') would be his biggest punishment. And it open the doors for future development, but I doubt it sadly.
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  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Agmar and Gorgonna and Krenna all serve and follow Garrosh's orders. And the Korkron commander at Agmar says "I enfore Hellscream's will, his word is life and death" or somethin like that
    If Gorgonna and Krenna served and followed Garrosh's orders, then why Krenna killed her sister and took control? Weren't the orders the same?

    If you want to nail Garrosh to Conquest Hold, then Gorgonna's failure is also Garrosh's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Unless your saying Garrosh dsnt deserve anything because he single-handedly didnt dismantle the Scourge?
    But the Horde didn't dismantle the Scourge. It was the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade.
    Last edited by Tauror; 2013-05-19 at 08:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    But the Horde didn't dismantle the Scourge. It was the Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade.
    of which the Horde helped them out plenty
    Its not like the Aregent Crusade single-handedly defeated the Scourge either
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by Niuzhu View Post
    Plus I'd like to see a source for all that mumbo Jumbo you just spewed cause i'm pretty sure that's your imagination making that up. Give me proof and I'll be like wow i was wrong, won't change my opinion mind you but I'll admit i was wrong about that.

    If you want a REAL Troll Leader they should resurrect Zul'Jin. Now he was a troll worthy of Warchief.
    If you're referring to the poison...

    http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Regeneration_Takes_Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    of which the Horde helped them out plenty
    Its not like the Aregent Crusade single-handedly defeated the Scourge either
    And then resupplied the Scourge's lost troops by staging a pointless battle with the Alliance, resulting in an entire canyon full of dead or dying soldiers :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    If you want to nail Garrosh to Conquest Hold, then Gorgonna's failure is also Garrosh's.
    e.
    and her faults had major reprucussions across the Horde's campaign in the frozen wastes....oh wait....they didnt....
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and her faults had major reprucussions across the Horde's campaign in the frozen wastes....oh wait....they didnt....
    Yet it was still a failure on his part. The significance of such is rather beside the point.

    Seriously the guy's got a habit of picking terrible soldiers to lead for him.

  20. #300
    Prison.

    Death is something he'd -want- I feel people that want him to suffer don't understand the Orcish mentality. It's Victory or Death, if you make someone languish in their failure it is the worst thing for an Orc.

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