However, there is nothing wrong with orgrim doomhammer beeing a brutal warchief, like grom and garrosh. They have personality, too, and give enough reasions to battle them. Thrall and co are to peaceful and careful for this.
I like to compare doomhammer to king vortiger of the grail saga, he was rude, brutal but an effective leader and soldier, after him came arthur who was more friendly and wiser.
Not all orcs need to have a code of honor, we allready got the frostwolf clan, and not all orcs need to be green raged monsters similar to the hellscream clan. I like diversity in the past, present and future of a story and their characters. And intellectual property or not i can discuss the story and point to retcons that do no good for it.
Last edited by Tyrannica; 2013-05-21 at 01:02 AM.
but keep telling yourself otherwise. No, please do.
Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Orgrim_DoomhammerLeading the Horde through the Dark Portal after defeating the draenei, Blackhand conducted the entire war effort against the Kingdom of Stormwind in what became known as the First War. Though Stormwind eventually fell, Blackhand was left vulnerable when Gul'dan fell into a coma after attempting to steal information pertaining to the Tomb of Sargeras from the mind of Medivh. Seizing the opportunity provided by the powerful warlock's incapacitation, Blackhand's second-in-command, Orgrim Doomhammer — later known as the Backstabber for the deed he was about to commit — decided to seize power from the puppet Warchief, hoping he could lead his wayward people from the path they had taken. Leading loyalist troops in a surprise attack, Doomhammer defeated Blackhand and cut his head from his shoulders, becoming both Warchief and Chieftain of the Blackrock.
Look, he did it once and he continued with lothar, exactly as it has happened in the games. Stop the bad novel retcon defense, finally. No one needs another retconned Thrall or Durotan.
How much proof do you need to be convinced that Doomhammer was a strong, smart and wayward warchief of the horde? The term honor just doesn't fit.
Last edited by Tyrannica; 2013-05-21 at 01:49 AM.
Edit: How did this thread turn into book canon discussion?
Wow are we arguing about Warcraft II canon? This is my kind of thread!
The truth is that the people who hold the copyright can call whatever they want canon, but at the end of the day everyone has their personal headcanon and that's what really matters. I mean, according Lucasarts the fucking HOLIDAY SPECIAL is canon.
I think you could interpret Lothar's death either way, the Horde WAS evil at the time.
Anything else is just fan/head fiction.
As for the in game character vs lore aspect. We are a part of the game but more of a cog in the machine. We're the faceless heroes who go around supporting the main characters. They get all the glory and we get to ready our selves for the next big bad to come along.
but please, continue to offend other people, because they see things differently than you do. No, please do.
Also that quote directly contradicts what they said when they previously first announced Garrosh as the villain for MOP, They specifically said in that early announcement he had "become corrupted" and is doing "dark things under Org".
Now whether they changed their minds due to fan pressure the "oh great the corruption plot device again" thing, I don't know.
Even if they spare him corruption directly it wouldn't surprise me if they simply had a dreadlord whispering in his ear stoking the war.
Last edited by Briga; 2013-05-21 at 09:05 AM.
I don't care all that much, though maybe kill just to get a better response from Thrall if he's not killed during SoO, to make him see how big his mistake was of appointing him. And to have a chance at someone else leading the orcs.
Too bad that Hellscream's legacy ends with this corrupted, evil warmonger. That's the only reason that I hope for redemption. The way that Grom was purged by Thrall after drinking from that pool of demonic water.
Mother pus bucket!
first he gets exiled to a far away land. while in exile, a strange group of hostiles capture and imprison him. he later escapes, but being weakened he perishes in the wild. an unknowing priest rezzes him and teaches him a better way to live. he then goes on a journey of redemption.
so all of the above
I wish he'll be redeemed.
Not because I want him to be, but because that seems like the outcome that would most irritate people.
If I had the money to spare, I'd buy the warcraft IP and do something like retcon the orcs to always have been little pink fairies living inside orc-like homonculi by the hundreds, and I'd turn the entire setting into a giant, extremely explicit erotic series of (mostly) gay adventures involving these tiny elves and their amazing exploits with the other races, only to see people defending my ludicrous changes to the setting as totally reasonable because I'd own the IP so that makes it fine.
Last edited by Cattlehunter; 2013-05-21 at 02:13 PM.
“To who do you reward the right to decide which speech is harmful, or who is the harmful speaker? Or to determine in advance what are the harmful consequences going to be, that we know enough about in advance to prevent? [...] It may not be determined in advance what words are apt or inapt. No one has the knowledge that would be required to make that call.”
- Christopher Hitchens, 1949 - 2011
I'd rather see him killed rather than imprisoned, exiled or redeemed. I'd be pretty annoyed if they spared someone like Garrosh after refusing to to do the same to the likes of Kael'thas, Fandral and Illidan.
Killed, Sylvanas for Warchief and then an all out attack on the alliance with a huge undead army. Next expansion will be alliance orientated with them recovering and fighting back then the expansion after will be the burning legion attacking Azeroth and destroying both the horde an the alliance, wow ends, done!