The recent riots in Husby.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Very much in fact. Like it or not, there would be no riots now without the retarded immigration policy of the socialist parties. How so? Because most of the people now rioting wouldn't even be in Sweden...

Except nobody mentioned a political party in this thread until you brought it up.

Both wrong. But how does not liking rioting bastards and the idiots who got them into the country in the first place make you a racist? My guess is you voted for the latter ones?

The left is now considered socialist?

[gpherder]

Very, very loaded topic right now.

The 69 year old male was psychotic and wielding a machete. When the police arrived and entered the apartment, they shot him.
I don't think their responce was unreasonable, but I do think that shooting him dead could've been avoided. There are tasers and other pacifying weaponry. But since this guy was psychotic, he was probably not responding to pain.


The people rioting are like the people in the UK back in those riots, they don't give a shit about what actually happened they just want to riot.

It's always so difficult to judge these kind of cases. There are some which are cut and dried one way or another...but these type, you really had to have been there in the situation to judge whether the response was appropriate or not.

But whether the police response was justified or not, the riots definitely are not. As you say, the people aren't rioting because of what happened. I've noticed so often in Oakland (a city in California that loves riots) the people are always far less concerned with whatever the issue was and far more concerned about how many stores they can break into during the madness and how much loot they can haul off.

Riots have their place, on occasion. There are things I feel strongly enough about that I could see a civil riot (if there can be such a thing) over them. But using a riot as an excuse for theft, assault, etc.? Never acceptable.

[Underverse]

Very much in fact. Like it or not, there would be no riots now without the retarded immigration policy of the socialist parties. How so? Because most of the people now rioting wouldn't even be in Sweden...

Yes, but the person I was quoting seemed to go way out of his way to insult people who have little to no connection to the failure of policy that's happening in much of Europe

[Landin55]

Yes, but the person I was quoting seemed to go way out of his way to insult people who have little to no connection to the failure of policy that's happening in much of Europe

The person you quoting right now is in fact the same person.

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Very much in fact. Like it or not, there would be no riots now without the retarded immigration policy of the socialist parties. How so? Because most of the people now rioting wouldn't even be in Sweden...


Both wrong. But how does not liking rioting bastards and the idiots who got them into the country in the first place make you a racist? People making such claims usually vote for the latter ones.

Not really after all. If the boot fits.....

[Mormolyce]

I think martial law is in order. Anyone engaging the police in any sort of combat needs to be stopped with any and all force including lethal force if they persist.

Yeah because every time there's a riot or civil unrest let's institute martial law. That'll solve everything lol.

[DEATHETERNAL]

Yeah because every time there's a riot or civil unrest let's institute martial law. That'll solve everything lol.

If it is done on a local level, then yes, it will. Order is restored, and those stupid enough to mount insurrection are arrested or killed in self-defense.

Not really after all. If the boot fits.....

Then you must just be a mudslinger with no actual argument or point to make, correct? That boot certainly does seem to fit on you from your contribution to the thread so far.

[Deleted]

Aparrently some immigrants have put up riots last night in Stockholm. They've thrown molotov cocktails, set cars on fire, broken to stores and generally vandalizing propetry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of8PJuYhWGg What do you native swedes think about this?

[BicycleMafioso]

The English sources on the riots that I find focus on how racist the police are....

Would you (or anyone else) mind posting these so I can edit the OP?

[Themius]

The usual: multiculturalism.

More specifically, islamic immigrants. Usually they are joined by some left-wing white trash.

We've not had many riots here.

[Landin55]

If it is done on a local level, then yes, it will. Order is restored, and those stupid enough to mount insurrection are arrested or killed in self-defense.


Then you must just be a mudslinger with no actual argument or point to make, correct? That boot certainly does seem to fit on you from your contribution to the thread so far.

I don't have an argument. I simply pointed out the flawed racists right wing in the thread. I'm I to assume you agree with him? Or just trying to turn a discussion onto what I have contributed?

[Morden]

We've not had many riots here.

Most Muslims in the states arent stupid though, they keep their heads down because of the Terrorism Laws in the US. European Union based countries dont have anywhere near that level bang for their buck and cant detain people on mere suspicion. Most of them cant even eject the trouble makers from the country due to EU rules...

Overall though most Muslims I know are generally nice people, but thats the same for every culture, its the ones who arent so nice that you wish you could send off somewhere else... like Mars

[araine]

Whoa whoa whoa what does this have to do with the Left, North South and Right Wings? So what

He must have been watching SD's homepage or avpixlat for some talking points. The reasons for these actions are the total failure of the Reinfeldt government to get jobs etc to Sweden. 6 straight quarters now with the economy in RECESSION, yep thats what happen when you go the conservative route to solve economy problems.

And who gets hurt the hardest? those that have the least is always the answer.

[Kraenen]

If riots are the lack of law and order, i.e. lack of government control over society, isn't that right wing?

[Deleted]

Oh snap, that was pretty good.

I thought riots weren't supposed to happen in the peoples paradise of Scandanavian countries

Actually. It really is people's paradise, just if you dont count these sandmonkeys who blow up cars, throw rocks etc. do things that normal white swede would never ever do.


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[Jackmoves]

Rioting is idiotic and I think they are retards thats my opinion about it. Swedish police barely ever shoot anyone, they are really disciplined, the only people I pity are all the innocent ones in the neighbourhood.

Very much in fact. Like it or not, there would be no riots now without the retarded immigration policy of the socialist parties. How so? Because most of the people now rioting wouldn't even be in Sweden...

That might be true for this case, but the worst riots we've(Sweden) had in modern day was done by 99% white europeans, I was caught up in the middle of it and that wasn't immigrants. It was the EU top summit 2001... add the fact that Bush was in my city at the same time and you get trouble. That combination got all the nutters in Europe ready for business.

The riots we've had since then(including this one) has been pitiful things. Hardly riots at all in comparison tbh.

[araine]

Actually. It really is people's paradise, just if you dont count these sandmonkeys who blow up cars, throw rocks etc. do things that normal white swede would never ever do.

And the typical lets judge millions based on what a few handful of people are doing. Really it is like you want to judge white males by the behavior of Ted Bundy. But frequently we hear the extreme right go on the anti muslim agenda both in USA and in Sweden.

Like they say i'm not a racist BUT ........ is what you find everytime they spew out the racist hatred.

[Bigbamboozal]

Its these people's own fault for causing a riot. If they stayed inside and didnt act like animals, then they wouldnt get shot. I have no sympathy for them

Wrong order bub.
man shot-> riots over man shot.

And really, I get it, police are too quick to end a life these days. If it's b/c they are scared, then good job they signed up for this job. A job where you are required to deal with all sorts of trouble and scary shit.
With body armor that can stop a 7.62 copper jacket round at point blank range, I fail to see the danger they feel there was. 2 men in low tech chainmail would have ended him with some handcuffs. At most a stick would have solved it all.

Besides, you don't have to go bursting in the room to powpow john wayne. You COULD use all that fancy equipment the taxpayers have been milked for, I dunno, some IR to see in, image intens. Could use tear gas, flashbangs are not that fancy for this work.
Beyond that, wtf is wrong with TALKING to the man through the door? Chuck a cell phone in and let him have it out on the phone, wear out, wind down and give up.
We have proof, it works.

[Mormolyce]

If it is done on a local level, then yes, it will. Order is restored, and those stupid enough to mount insurrection are arrested or killed in self-defense.

Government experiences extreme condemnation both at home and abroad, the people rise up against it, it tries more heavy-handed shows of power which serve to fuel the revolution and the government is ultimately toppled. This is like 20th Century 101 dude.

The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers!

[artemishunter1]

Government experiences extreme condemnation both at home and abroad, the people rise up against it, it tries more heavy-handed shows of power which serve to fuel the revolution and the government is ultimately toppled. This is like 20th Century 101 dude.

The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers!

Beat me to it. I wanted to quote that.

Martial law is necessary during disaster and civil unrest. These people are not doing civil disobedience, but outright attacking. They will harm civilians. They need to be dealt with first by police, when they fail, by the state troopers (if you guys have them).

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Most Muslims in the states arent stupid though, they keep their heads down because of the Terrorism Laws in the US. European Union based countries dont have anywhere near that level bang for their buck and cant detain people on mere suspicion. Most of them cant even eject the trouble makers from the country due to EU rules...

Overall though most Muslims I know are generally nice people, but thats the same for every culture, its the ones who arent so nice that you wish you could send off somewhere else... like Mars

it gets even more complicated then that. There are differences between immigrants and refugees. Immigrants can and do assimilate easily as they chose to be here. Refugees are hard time to assimilate because they did not chose to be here, it was only option for them, thus they more likely to retain their cultural baggage. Fun fact, in the U.S. in every state Somali refugees were granted assilym, crime rate doubled by that i mean not just theft, but also drug dealing and murder and rape.

[Morden]

And the typical lets judge millions based on what a few handful of people are doing. Really it is like you want to judge white males by the behavior of Ted Bundy. But frequently we hear the extreme right go on the anti muslim agenda both in USA and in Sweden.

Like they say i'm not a racist BUT ........ is what you find everytime they spew out the racist hatred.

Doesnt matter what Race or Culture you are. If your an extremist fcktard your a liability and a danger to society. The difference is, most White Extermist fktards dont actually have the balls to do anything. They just sit behind their big banners and signs saying how "God hates xxx." or "yyy is the Devil." but yeah you get the point. Most of them are cowards. Whereas Islamic Extremists are actually willing to die for their beliefs...

Personally I think True Islamic Beliefs are as peaceful as True Christian Beliefs.. The problem is that anything can be used and abused by others, you only have to look at the Crusades and the Inquisition to see that, not to mention the Witch-hunts. Christianity is no more civilised than Islam, its merely older and has gone through its adolescent stage where it lets maniacs abuse its followers faith (well on the whole that is.)