1. #3781
    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    Someone is seriously saying that at the point of the biggest hype that presales don't matter or indicate a likely trend that was so worrying to microsoft that they decided to do away with DRM...no words to describe zeta.
    That is the thing zeta is ether not getting or just outright ignoring.

    The whole point of E3 is to build up so much hype about your game/console people go out right after and drop that "60$" or in this case 500$ and buy it. If you can not sell your console after showing it at E3 how in the hell will you sell it release day. People can and have proven time and time again if they love something they will reserve it 9 times out of 10 in full price and wait for it to release. But if you have the PR that Microsoft has had you push people away and no one wants to buy it. The only event that is left is Gamescon and I don't even think Microsoft is in it "I could be wrong" So E3 was there last shot to "Sell" us the system so yes the bad PR will have a major effect on the sells of the console even tho they went back on a lot of there DRM.

    Like for example Nintendo showed off some amazing games but also stated they wouldn't release until 2014 but the games they showed was so awesome "Like Mario Kart 8" people have went out and reserved it good chance in full price.

    This was Microsoft's moment to do that and they bombed on it hard and are now trying to recover. If they really lissened to the gamer and not the numbers they would have open E3 with "We have removed the DRM here is your games" and may have even stole the show doing it. But that is not what they did sony beat them at E3 the numbers proved it and now Microsoft is trying to recover. I am not saying they can't but when you lose on the biggest gaming stage in a console war it has a really bad effect on your sells even more so when after the show you tell all your fans to go buy a last gen system if they don't like the new one. the same fans will tell Microsoft to go fuck themselfs and take that 300$ add 100$ to it and get a Ps4 over the Xbox 360.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    they still release games that are nothing shy of exceptional.
    We 1999 now?

  3. #3783
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    again reserves on a console with no release date doesnt mean a fucking thing.
    Are you seriously this stupid or ignorant to facts?

    They did a 180 because of how poorly the Xbone was being reserved. You know that, why the hell are you denying it?

  4. #3784
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    Saying its becuase of shit presales is retarded as they never said that was the reason and you have no way of proving its the reason.
    If this were in any way true, they would have changed it when the initial backlash was present. They didn't until presales were out and tanking ridiculously hard.

    This isn't rocket surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rylangel View Post
    This isn't rocket surgery.
    Exactly, this isnt Brain science. Pre sales 10 to 1, controllers outselling xbox ones, change DRM policy, presales shoot up....sometiems 2+2 really does just equal 4.

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    So wait, since they went back on all the DRM shit and requiring a connection now then the Kinect paranoia thing shouldn't be to big of a problem as long as you are just playing singleplayer and never go online. Still really silly and stupid to even make it a requirement, sure package it with the console, but make it an option to turn on the Kinect's features at least.

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    So LOL! At 11.33 mins in when angryjoe asks "it must be very simple to disable the 24 hour online check in?" and this fucking douche grabs his mic and says "I'm sorry, are you on the development team?" In a gesture like "STFU moron! Your feeble brain can't comprehend how difficult it would be to do that!"

    Couple days later they 180 the decision and turn off the online check just like that LOL!

  8. #3788
    This just in,

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...tising-in-Mind

    I mean. Really?

    You would think with the disastrous unveiling that they would try to "butter up" their potential customers ... nope, dig that hole deeper.

  9. #3789
    xD xD It becomes more and more clear why it's called Xbox1. This is not a gaming console anymore. It's TV Box with camera and mic that tries to feed you as much bs as you can stomach for $500.

    What's the worst that can happen to you ...

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    On Xbox [One], the ad is part of the actual experience, it's not something that is outside
    I'm trying tho think of the time I bought a console that had avertisements touted as one of the epxeriences....still havent thought of one, first time for everything. Just as the xobx was on the up, they throw this out there...its comical.

  11. #3791
    Quote Originally Posted by rylangel View Post
    If this were in any way true, they would have changed it when the initial backlash was present. They didn't until presales were out and tanking ridiculously hard.

    This isn't rocket surgery.
    Exactly this. Also Xbone DOES have a relea date and has since E3. PS4 doesn't have a release date yet but they were still creaming Xbox in presales. If you really think that doesn't mean anything you know absolutely nothing about business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasffion View Post
    Exactly this. Also Xbone DOES have a relea date and has since E3. PS4 doesn't have a release date yet but they were still creaming Xbox in presales. If you really think that doesn't mean anything you know absolutely nothing about business.
    Lol you clearly know nothing of business, just because they didn't say the exact release date means nothing when it comes to pre-orders, they said it would be in the holiday season so everyone knew it would be very close the Xbox release, SO it's a pointless comment to make that it's somehow better just because they didn't have an exact date-.-'
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  13. #3793
    Quote Originally Posted by Gobra View Post
    Lol you clearly know nothing of business, just because they didn't say the exact release date means nothing when it comes to pre-orders, they said it would be in the holiday season so everyone knew it would be very close the Xbox release, SO it's a pointless comment to make that it's somehow better just because they didn't have an exact date-.-'
    I think that was his point because Zeta made the comment the Xbone didn't have a release date so its preorders meant nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rylangel View Post
    I think that was his point because Zeta made the comment the Xbone didn't have a release date so its preorders meant nothing.
    Well the quote of his i replied to said how PS4 doesn't have a release date and still out pre-ordered, which ofcourse means nothing, But ofcourse that's the problem with how this forum handles quotes, things can be written differently if you follow the entire thread lol
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  15. #3795
    Quote Originally Posted by SodiumChloride View Post
    This just in,

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...tising-in-Mind

    I mean. Really?

    You would think with the disastrous unveiling that they would try to "butter up" their potential customers ... nope, dig that hole deeper.
    Even when they're trying to save their skin they still end up shooting themselves in foot.

    But despite all this I still feel like the vast majority of the people who own/plan to own consoles either aren't keeping up with the current info or just will flat out not care about it once they're released.

    While pre-orders are obviously an indicator, people should putting so much emphasis on them since the actual number of consoles sold within a few months of release far FAR outnumber the amount of pre-orders made.
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  16. #3796
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    They recanted the DRM becuase the community at large didnt like it. Saying its becuase of shit presales is retarded as they never said that was the reason and you have no way of proving its the reason.
    Let's take a gander at the timing. Between unveiling and E3 they were getting pummeled by negative feedback and articles. Following E3, the popular sentiment hadn't changed. It wasn't until after a week of pre-orders that a change was made, and during this time every publicly available measure was showing the PS4 obliterating the Xbox One in terms of overall pre-orders. The popular consensus between analysts, journalists, and pretty much everyone else is that the change was made in direct response to this more than anything else.

    Of course they're not going to say, "We're removing the bits people are complaining about because we're not selling enough consoles." That's going to earn them no popularity points. They're going to do what any company would do and use the most positive angle, which is the angle of listening to consumers and responding to their feedback...and in this case the feedback was the low number of pre-order sales.

  17. #3797
    Quote Originally Posted by Gobra View Post
    Lol you clearly know nothing of business, just because they didn't say the exact release date means nothing when it comes to pre-orders, they said it would be in the holiday season so everyone knew it would be very close the Xbox release, SO it's a pointless comment to make that it's somehow better just because they didn't have an exact date-.-'
    I'm not sure where you got that from. It's not better because it doesn't have an exact date. It's better despite not having an exact date.

    My knowing nothing about business comment really had nothing to do with the release date though but rather that presales does have an impact on a companies decision. I'm sorry if I worded that in a way that wasn't clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SodiumChloride View Post
    This just in,

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...tising-in-Mind

    I mean. Really?

    You would think with the disastrous unveiling that they would try to "butter up" their potential customers ... nope, dig that hole deeper.
    People get the wrong idea of what MS means when they say advertisements. the second they hear the word, they cringe at the idea of some stupid life insurance company that pops up before you watch a video, or some popup window asking you to try the newest laundry detergent that cleans stains best. It's not that type of Advertisement. It's simply showing you related content on the dashboard that you MAY be interested in, it could be advertising a new season of the walking dead since you've every season before, or it could be letting you know when a double XP weekend of COD is going on since you've played 20+ hours of Ghosts last week. You are getting the wrong the idea about MS 'forcing' ads down your throat with popups and you're over-exaggerating. Gaming is a community with news, events, and reveals everyday and the only way people find out about them is if MS puts one little icon on your screen and you wanna cry about it. if that's the case, you should just stay in your home and look at the same basic "startptions:quit" screen because heaven's sake you're actually interested in something being advertised
    This is what I get from that article, look at the xbox 360 dashboard now there is maybe 1 ad now which isn't even an ad but an redirect to an informative page about the whole cloud thing or something. What you see is blocks with recommended games/dlc/sales and music/movies/apps in their own category.

    Serious I feel like a lot of people just come here to only bash the xbox one/Microsoft. Well good for you, we know you will buy a ps4 but if you only come here to bash then please leave this thread because you bring nothing to this discussion. Stop this fucking circlejerk it is already going on for far to long, you don't like the xbox one or MS well thanks for stating your opinion but we get it now.

  19. #3799
    Quote Originally Posted by Ridethelight View Post
    This is what I get from that article, look at the xbox 360 dashboard now there is maybe 1 ad now which isn't even an ad but an redirect to an informative page about the whole cloud thing or something. What you see is blocks with recommended games/dlc/sales and music/movies/apps in their own category.

    Serious I feel like a lot of people just come here to only bash the xbox one/Microsoft. Well good for you, we know you will buy a ps4 but if you only come here to bash then please leave this thread because you bring nothing to this discussion. Stop this fucking circlejerk it is already going on for far to long, you don't like the xbox one or MS well thanks for stating your opinion but we get it now.
    It seems like some of you only want to praise it despite obvious problems. There's plenty of discussion to be had and it doesn't all have to be positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasffion View Post
    It seems like some of you only want to praise it despite obvious problems. There's plenty of discussion to be had and it doesn't all have to be positive.
    xD xD It becomes more and more clear why it's called Xbox1. This is not a gaming console anymore. It's TV Box with camera and mic that tries to feed you as much bs as you can stomach for $500.
    I'm trying tho think of the time I bought a console that had avertisements touted as one of the epxeriences....still havent thought of one, first time for everything. Just as the xobx was on the up, they throw this out there...its comical.
    So LOL! At 11.33 mins in when angryjoe asks "it must be very simple to disable the 24 hour online check in?" and this fucking douche grabs his mic and says "I'm sorry, are you on the development team?" In a gesture like "STFU moron! Your feeble brain can't comprehend how difficult it would be to do that!"

    Couple days later they 180 the decision and turn off the online check just like that LOL!
    So what I got from this is Microsoft wants you to pay 500$ for there console 60$ a year+your time Warner cable cost to watch tv on your XboxOne.

    My cable just switched from "Insight" to Time Warner and its cost is around 150$ or so a month that is cable/phone/internet so overall you are paying a little over 700$ at first cost and around 170$ a month "if you pay for xbox live monthly" to watch tv on your XboxOne.

    also it seems you will not get all channels just around 300 or so of them 300 is a lot but there is tons of movie channels and all that it seems you won't get at this time.

    Is it just me or is that really stupid.

    Also as it stands right now Time Warner may be the only ones working with Microsoft to do this. So if you got something like dish network you may not get to but that can change.
    I can quote a lot more people stating their opinion over and over again because they don't like the xbox one or ms. The only one praising it is zeta. http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/ was worse 10 days ago but they finally stopped the circlejerk. But I guess I should not care it just annoys me sometime.
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