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  1. #161
    If you have an expectation as to how fast the tank should be pulling, then go pug one yourself.
    If you think a tank can go faster, then talk to them.
    Do not tell them to hurry up, but inform them that the group is capable of keeping up and ask if they are able to do that.

    If a dps chooses to pull something that they are not intending to deal with themselves then generally it should not be the job of the tank to deal with that.
    It is nothing to do with terrible tanks, but dps who need to learn their role.
    This coming from someone who mains a warlock and tries to appreciate that I am just 1 part of a group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    If you have an expectation as to how fast the tank should be pulling, then go pug one yourself.
    If you think a tank can go faster, then talk to them.
    Do not tell them to hurry up, but inform them that the group is capable of keeping up and ask if they are able to do that.

    If a dps chooses to pull something that they are not intending to deal with themselves then generally it should not be the job of the tank to deal with that.
    It is nothing to do with terrible tanks, but dps who need to learn their role.
    This coming from someone who mains a warlock and tries to appreciate that I am just 1 part of a group.
    It's kind of naive to think all group problems come from one role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Hunters/Locks who won't turn off taunt or use non-tanking pets. I no longer taunt and I allow the boss to kill the pet.
    A former guildmate mine had the perfect tanking mindset that goes along your line - "Oh you drew agro? That's ok, I'll get it back when you die."

    What tanking I've done and what bugs me? Outside of the 2 points the OP made and Darthsithis' point, it's the DPS that goes afk and then you can't kick him because the other 2 dps are too anxious to finish right away without giving you time to kick the AFK'er.


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    only thing that really annoys me is when dps, usually hunters if im honest decide they can pull what ever they want and MD it to me.


    and ive had a few healers that are more focussed on dpsing than healing, then shout at me for being a shit tank when i die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akshak View Post
    A former guildmate mine had the perfect tanking mindset that goes along your line - "Oh you drew agro? That's ok, I'll get it back when you die."

    What tanking I've done and what bugs me? Outside of the 2 points the OP made and Darthsithis' point, it's the DPS that goes afk and then you can't kick him because the other 2 dps are too anxious to finish right away without giving you time to kick the AFK'er.
    I hate people like that. I usually don't see it in raids ,but that kind of...toxic mentality has no place in a group setting.

  6. #166
    As someone who's tanked in many different environments (heroic raiding guilds, normal raiding guilds, 25s, 10s, dungeons, scenarios, etc.) I can safely say that the only thing that annoys me is a hunter pet taunting mobs off of me. I pull quickly. If I don't and someone pulls for me, I take it as a sign that I need to speed up. It's just as much their time as mine. If we wipe because of it, then we kick them. Simple as that. I whisper other tanks before bosses and tell them when/if they need to taunt and where it would be required (LFR usually), and that takes all of 30 seconds.

    I feel like everyone is overvaluing tanks. Just because there's less of us doesn't mean we're more significant than a dps. They have to wait in a 30 minute queue with the hopes that they're going to get four more competent players. Tanks wait in a ten second queue and only have to worry about if they'll out-dps the dps. Either way, the odds are that they're going to have to wait exponentially longer to complete a heroic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tornado shanks View Post
    I love tanking first and foremost; however, some things annoy me.

    1. When I'm tanking a heroic and someone simply says "go". I'm definitely being hypersensitive about this one, but there's just something really condescending about it for some reason.

    2. DPS that facepull (I generally let them tank whatever they pulled)

    Would love to hear what pisses other tanks off.
    1. I was originally a healer in Vanilla and some of BC. After being with many SLOW tanks, I was sick of it and started tanking myself. I think as the person somewhat controlling the pace of the instance and how much of people's time you spend, you should go fast and I think it's horrible that tanks get offended when told to go. If there's a point where you can't go because someone will get locked out or out of mana / insert reason, say that, otherwise you should already be going.

    PS I have 2/3 battlepets called gogogo that I point to when we're on coffee breaks between pulls haha, some people love it, some people hate it

    2. Your job is to aggro and not die, threat is ridiculously... RIDICULOUSLY easy to acquire as a tank now. I remember in BC tanking ZA with geared mages clicking off salv buff to play with me and test my aggro, if you don't like trying to threat and not die, maybe tanking isn't for you. Sorry if this is harsh dude, I'm just sayin, maybe you have the wrong perspective, maybe try to accept the criticism that people give you and run with it.

    I use to always get pissed off when other tanks go slow, I play ranged now, but I was a healer for few years, tank for @ 5.

    Edit- Can't believe all the tanks in here who agree with the OP, I'll never understand why some people think a 25 minute instance is better than a 10 minute one. /mindboggle
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  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by tornado shanks View Post
    I love tanking first and foremost; however, some things annoy me.

    1. When I'm tanking a heroic and someone simply says "go". I'm definitely being hypersensitive about this one, but there's just something really condescending about it for some reason.

    2. DPS that facepull (I generally let them tank whatever they pulled)

    Would love to hear what pisses other tanks off.
    Those, plus DPS that scream GO FASTER GOD YOU'RE SLOW. Or BIG PULLS. Then they pull extra mobs to me, and I get overwhelmed and die.

    I'm not a very confident tank as it is and I'm very sensitive about dps trying to tank etc. I made a macro once, explaining I was their friendly neighbourhood tank and that if they pull it; they tank it.
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    Actually while things like DPS pulling and people being rude annoys me, probably the thing I hate most is going back on my DPS characters after being a tank and seeing tanks way more geared than mine agonisingly pulling one pack at a time despite the fact the healer is at full mana and probably bored stiff having nothing to do (I play a healer as well :P).

    When I tank, I challenge myself to pull as fast as I can. Keeps the healers entertained and I actually use my CDs. Actually makes the dungeon better for everyone, even if you occasionally wipe :P
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  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by serenka View Post
    only thing that really annoys me is when dps, usually hunters if im honest decide they can pull what ever they want and MD it to me.
    Well it would almost have to be a hunter if they are MDing to you wouldn't it? Unless it was a rogue tricksing or something.

    On that note, what exactly is your problem with this? On my Pally tank I would love for packs to MD'd to me, there goes half the work of gathering them up and I have a full 30 seconds to get my own threat on them - perfect.

  11. #171
    1) tanks who are too slow
    2) tanks who don't pull correctly (whole room -> los -> aoe)

  12. #172
    One thing I never liked about tanking is that the mob is at your face, you can't really see the entire encounter unless you really zoom out

  13. #173
    As a healer which have been healing through all the iLvLs of HC farming up to ToT iLvL, the only circumstances where I ever oomed was when other people apart from the tank was taking damage. Occasionally this is from DPS whom by accident stand in something they shouldn't, although this happens quite rarely. What does happen more commonly is the tank not successfully holding aggro on anything so that DPS are taking damage from direct melee hits. Taking this into mind and seeing as there are many tanks who justify their slow pulling because of the healer's low mana. It's amusing, really. The whole reason as to why they pull slowly is because they can't hold aggro. When I keep everyone alive and dps are killing the mobs the least you can do is hold aggro. And when you do you will notice that there is nothing wrong with my mana, and then pull a little faster.
    Incidentally, one of the best ways to get better at your role is to push yourself. In a tank's case, it is pulling more mobs than normally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombino View Post
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    You're making the silly assumption that those of us who dislike the "Gogogogogo" people are actually doing an instance slowly. I average between 10-15 minutes per heroic. It is the people who tell you to go when you stop for 3 seconds that are so fucking annoying. It isn't that difficult to understand provoking the tank won't actually make them speed up, it will more than likely slow them down because then they typically start typing back or deliberately slow down because you've made yourself into nothing more than an annoyance.
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  15. #175
    Ultimately LFG is what's frustrating. You get paired with random people with various expectations. If everyone goes in wanting the run to go as fast as possible, then hurray everyone is in agreement and people are happy. But if expectations don't align from this random grouping, people will get upset.

    That's just one of the costs of having LFG. You get groups faster, but you don't get to pre determine the type of people you're going to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEHPALLYTANK View Post
    You're making the silly assumption that those of us who dislike the "Gogogogogo" people are actually doing an instance slowly. I average between 10-15 minutes per heroic. It is the people who tell you to go when you stop for 3 seconds that are so fucking annoying. It isn't that difficult to understand provoking the tank won't actually make them speed up, it will more than likely slow them down because then they typically start typing back or deliberately slow down because you've made yourself into nothing more than an annoyance.
    if they have the time to type for a tank to go faster and are a semi-intelligent dps trying to kill stuff, the tank could probably go faster. of course there are times when you try to not lock out people, wait for mana, etc.

    There are, of course, a lot of variables, of course some people who say to go faster are idiots who don't see X obvious problem, and some tanks who think they need to wait actually could probably keep going faster. I think the point is big-headed, ignorant tanks, who think they are doing perfectly and actually get offended because so and so dares to think that the tank can do better, and the "omg why don't you go roll a tank" response.. all that is just funny and immature. Being open to criticism can be helpful for anyone, not just tanks.
    Last edited by Bombino; 2013-05-24 at 04:19 AM.

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    When I'm not on my tank myself and some idiot tank thinks he's being amazing and lets the dps die because he's pulling so god damn slow it's unbearable. At least I'm able to pull for him.

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    As for the issue of extra mobs that we don't need, it depends. Most often, I'm going to pick up the unwanted group immediately since most are going to beeline the healer and because of proximity, we're otherwise f'd. I typic Titanium Ingot save CDs for these problem areas (gauntlet in SC loves it some face-pullers). If someone is say, running to catch up to us and pulls an undisturbed pack, I don't feel compelled to enter combat and be a hero. They'll die, eat the repair cost, I'll rez them and we'll move on.

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    I don't mind at all if a player requests a faster pace. I'd just prefer they did it politely : "Can we please pick it up a little, I'm sure the group could handle two of these packs at once?" is so much nicer than "go". I thought we'd evolved past the stage of communicating in mono-syllabic grunts.

    But to be honest, I rarely see this. And I don't recall ever experiencing it while I was tanking personally. I probably see it more in forum complaint threads, than in game.

    Quote Originally Posted by ridamark View Post
    as for things that drive me mental when i tank...hunter and warlocks with pet taunt on or hunter thats have a pet that has taunt on in there stampede. ppl still dont understand how this crap works and i know this bc i had to explain it several times to certain hunters in random 5 mans. they need to make it so pet taunts<even in stampede> are off by default
    Hmmm, that's something I did not know! My hunter isn't max level yet, and only learned Stampede quite recently, but I always have a "tanking pet" (my Bear) in one of the five active slots, and his Growl is definitely set to auto-cast. I never use him in a group scenario, and I had no idea he would start growling when he pops out for the Stampede.

    Thanks for the tip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombino View Post
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